I have a good friend that was in NZ in January. He left. I thought he had it so together to have thought to be there then staying long term with friends... Turns out he was just visiting... Alas, he's in the same boat now as the rest of us... Yes he regrets leaving...

On 10/26/2020 01:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Screw that, I am off to New Zealand... (I wish)

-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:25 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

The thing I am sad is that we had 7+ months to prepare for what is
happening now.   And it's like we collectively wasted that time
bickering.   And yes other countries are going into the same situation
that thought they were ahead of it, but they are being much more
aggressive than we are.    We are back to a second rate country...

On 10/26/2020 12:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
One thing that seems to be true is that they have figured out strategies to keep many more people alive than they did during the first peak. If it can be treated, then we can relax a bit until we can get the vaccine. Still, I am more vigilant and locked in than when it first began. At least we have a world series to watch and at least BYU is playing an almost full football schedule.
Snow this morning at my house too.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 1:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
Utah is overflowing at the hospitals.
*From:* Mike Meluskey
*Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 1:24 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting

Father-in-Law is an MD in the Lubbock, TX area. Their hospitals are full.

On 26 Oct 2020, at 15:20, Matt Hoppes wrote:

    Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting information.
    You said that this seems like it’s a joke but then also that you’ve
    moved everyone who can remote.
    I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed right now
    look at El Paso. This is not going away after the election.

    On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones
    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

    
    Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they clearly said
    that the natural progression of any novel virus is 3 annual
    seasons, with this one in particular being predominately in fall.
    this is season 2. We have treatments now that are effective, we
    quit killing people with ventilators the way were were in the
    beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no shortage of
    PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting on this changes to be
    less terrifying.
    Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and innoculated, 3
    months permanent, no one knows if this is different thatn 99
    percent of other viruses. but of the well over 30 million people
    who were verified positive via testing and have since recovered,
    less than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the vast
    majority are immune.
    Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved all positions
    that can be remote to remote. techs dont go any further than the
    garage if they dont have to. Its techs choice to mask up and glove
    up, and as long as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will
    continue to be there choice. This is only applicable to interiors,
    theyre not required to mask outside, thats simply ignorant to
    require and its not "following the science" . ut the tech can
    choose to do that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a
    condom all day, its none of our concern.
    Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply base it on
    the percentage of total tests that are positive, its gotten
    colder, so people arent getting tested on a whim and we are back
    to primarily people with risk factors getting tested, the
    positivity rate went up as would be expected, but not as high as
    anticipated.
    If legitimate numbers start going up like hospitalizations
    (luckily I have ins in healthcare so i dont have to rely on media
    reports and politically charged public health departments, i am
    privy to internal census reports in healthcare) then we will look
    toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if our coverage
    area sees a legitimate surge.
    We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was infected, we
    cancelled him for his quarantine period. We dont have in person
    company meetings. When we are together on project work we dont
    ride in the same vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk,
    but we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact operations.
    I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working in a
    hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low incidence of
    healthcare transmission is an oddity that after the politics of
    this thing are over I hope they do some deep diving into, its
    either going to boil down to we still dont actually know how its
    primarily transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence of
    low viral load exposures that theyr innoculated without actually
    catching it, similar to how some allergies can be beaten through
    very low dose exposures to the allergen, will be interesting
    research when the politics of it are over)
    Every single "look at this country, look at that country" has
    turned out to be wrong on both sides of the argument, even WHO
    says lockdowns are the wrong solution now.
    Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to put a bunch of
    people in prison, even in this industry there will probably be
    some prison sentences handed out, the money came with
    requirements, it wasnt just free cash to grow a company.
    I can tell you there is something going around thats causing chest
    xrays to look exactly like covid damage, but no testing method is
    identifying the presence of covid or history of its presence,
    thats concerning, keep that in mind when relaxing policies. Its
    flu season, and given the disruption of interaction, this years
    flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its worth keeping
    covid policies in place regardless to not have staff out with a
    wild flu.
    And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning its 8 days
    of hell,
    On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza
    <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

        We are so bad we were featured on ABC News.... people just
        want to fucking party...
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

            Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today, all we can
            say is “at least we’re not Wisconsin”.____

            ____

            I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter choosing to live
            in Maine, where “social distancing” was already the norm.
            (bike photo was actually from a ride a month ago up to the
            Quebec border)____

            ____

            ____

            *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jaime
            Solorza
            *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM
            *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and
            counting____

            ____

            On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up panel and
            stuff because two electricians would wear masks...I wasn't
            there , I would have made them step outside ...our boss
            complained to water utilities because we are on a schedule
            with several people. ____

            The control room is small. ____

            ____

            ____

            On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes
            <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:____

                We are doing normal installs for now. Watching our
                local county info in internal tracking systems I
                developed. ____

                ____

                So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If things
                severely spike this winter we will shut down installs
                again. ____

                ____

                At this point we are not masking nor requiring
                customers to wear masks - but we do ask customers to
                stay 10feet away from techs. This point will be driven
                home even more as we go into the winter months. ____



                ____

                    On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof
                    <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:____

                    ____

                    So 8 months in, numbers are getting worse not
                    better, and despite what anybody says the end is
                    not just around the corner.____

                    ____

                    I remember at the beginning some WISPs were not
                    sending techs inside customer homes, maybe pushing
                    a cable through the wall and having the customer
                    plug in the POE and router. Is anybody still
                    declining to do inside work?  Installs, repairs?____

                    ____

                    Also, what about the FCC requested “pledge” not to
                    disconnect customers for nonpayment during the
                    pandemic. How many are still doing that, and
                    assuming things won’t be back to “normal” until
                    well into 2021 or even 2022, how long do you plan
                    to continue?  Are you taking any additional steps,
                    like downgrading their speed or declining to do
                    upgrades, or requiring proof of hardship?  I know
                    this wasn’t mandatory, but if we did it
                    voluntarily, should there be a time limit?  And if
                    at that point they are 6-12 months behind, do we
                    write that off rather than expecting they will
                    catch up?____

                    ____

                    It’s also interesting I see on cable company
                    forums issues about mask refusal, both by techs
                    and customers, and even of customers who have
                    Covid but still want their Internet fixed.  I
                    hesitate to bring this up because it has become a
                    political or “freedom” issue in a way that
                    seatbelts or smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
                    grain elevator or even picking up after your dog
                    isn’t, and I’m tired of being caught in the
                    middle. But take the extreme case of a customer
                    who recently tested positive or the tech gets
                    there and strongly suspects someone in the house
                    is contagious, is this really happening, and what
                    is your response?  At the beginning I would ask
                    when setting up every appointment, has anyone in
                    the house tested positive, but I’ve come to
                    believe that’s pointless.____

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