Odd, I didnt know there were over 100 cases in the whitehouse
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 4:07 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For the month of October, there have been more cases in the US
> Whitehouse than the whole country of new Zealand.
>
> The difference is that they (NZ) took the thing seriously as opposed to
> politicizing it like the nimrods in the whitehouse.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/26/2020 2:01 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > I have a good friend that was in NZ in January. He left. I thought
> > he had it so together to have thought to be there then staying long
> > term with friends... Turns out he was just visiting... Alas, he's
> > in the same boat now as the rest of us... Yes he regrets leaving...
> >
> > On 10/26/2020 01:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Screw that, I am off to New Zealand... (I wish)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:25 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
> >>
> >> The thing I am sad is that we had 7+ months to prepare for what is
> >> happening now. And it's like we collectively wasted that time
> >> bickering. And yes other countries are going into the same situation
> >> that thought they were ahead of it, but they are being much more
> >> aggressive than we are. We are back to a second rate country...
> >>
> >> On 10/26/2020 12:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> One thing that seems to be true is that they have figured out
> >>> strategies to keep many more people alive than they did during the
> >>> first peak. If it can be treated, then we can relax a bit until we
> >>> can get the vaccine. Still, I am more vigilant and locked in than
> >>> when it first began.
> >>> At least we have a world series to watch and at least BYU is playing
> >>> an almost full football schedule.
> >>> Snow this morning at my house too.
> >>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 1:31 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
> >>> Utah is overflowing at the hospitals.
> >>> *From:* Mike Meluskey
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 1:24 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and counting
> >>>
> >>> Father-in-Law is an MD in the Lubbock, TX area. Their hospitals are
> >>> full.
> >>>
> >>> On 26 Oct 2020, at 15:20, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hold on. Reading your email I am getting conflicting information.
> >>> You said that this seems like it’s a joke but then also that you’ve
> >>> moved everyone who can remote.
> >>> I disagree we have hospitals that are being overwhelmed right now
> >>> look at El Paso. This is not going away after the election.
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 26, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Steve Jones
> >>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Its almost like nobody listened to the science, they clearly said
> >>>> that the natural progression of any novel virus is 3 annual
> >>>> seasons, with this one in particular being predominately in fall.
> >>>> this is season 2. We have treatments now that are effective, we
> >>>> quit killing people with ventilators the way were were in the
> >>>> beginning, healthcare isnt overwhelmed and theres no shortage of
> >>>> PPE. We only have 8 days until reporting on this changes to be
> >>>> less terrifying.
> >>>> Healthy people are being exposed, beating it, and innoculated, 3
> >>>> months permanent, no one knows if this is different thatn 99
> >>>> percent of other viruses. but of the well over 30 million people
> >>>> who were verified positive via testing and have since recovered,
> >>>> less than 20 globally have been reinfected, so odds are the vast
> >>>> majority are immune.
> >>>> Knowing what we know now, we have permanently moved all positions
> >>>> that can be remote to remote. techs dont go any further than the
> >>>> garage if they dont have to. Its techs choice to mask up and glove
> >>>> up, and as long as they choose to mask up and glove up, it will
> >>>> continue to be there choice. This is only applicable to interiors,
> >>>> theyre not required to mask outside, thats simply ignorant to
> >>>> require and its not "following the science" . ut the tech can
> >>>> choose to do that if they want. hell, if they want to wear a
> >>>> condom all day, its none of our concern.
> >>>> Our state positivity numbers are a joke, they simply base it on
> >>>> the percentage of total tests that are positive, its gotten
> >>>> colder, so people arent getting tested on a whim and we are back
> >>>> to primarily people with risk factors getting tested, the
> >>>> positivity rate went up as would be expected, but not as high as
> >>>> anticipated.
> >>>> If legitimate numbers start going up like hospitalizations
> >>>> (luckily I have ins in healthcare so i dont have to rely on media
> >>>> reports and politically charged public health departments, i am
> >>>> privy to internal census reports in healthcare) then we will look
> >>>> toward lower contact solutions, and no contact if our coverage
> >>>> area sees a legitimate surge.
> >>>> We dont do stupid stuff, like my contractor who was infected, we
> >>>> cancelled him for his quarantine period. We dont have in person
> >>>> company meetings. When we are together on project work we dont
> >>>> ride in the same vehicle, we just dont take any unnecessary risk,
> >>>> but we also dont let risk avoidance unnecessarily impact
> >>>> operations.
> >>>> I quit worrying about exposures with the wife working in a
> >>>> hospital, we are exposed constantly. (the low incidence of
> >>>> healthcare transmission is an oddity that after the politics of
> >>>> this thing are over I hope they do some deep diving into, its
> >>>> either going to boil down to we still dont actually know how its
> >>>> primarily transmitting or healthcare has such a high incidence of
> >>>> low viral load exposures that theyr innoculated without actually
> >>>> catching it, similar to how some allergies can be beaten through
> >>>> very low dose exposures to the allergen, will be interesting
> >>>> research when the politics of it are over)
> >>>> Every single "look at this country, look at that country" has
> >>>> turned out to be wrong on both sides of the argument, even WHO
> >>>> says lockdowns are the wrong solution now.
> >>>> Im still waiting for the fed money that went out to put a bunch of
> >>>> people in prison, even in this industry there will probably be
> >>>> some prison sentences handed out, the money came with
> >>>> requirements, it wasnt just free cash to grow a company.
> >>>> I can tell you there is something going around thats causing chest
> >>>> xrays to look exactly like covid damage, but no testing method is
> >>>> identifying the presence of covid or history of its presence,
> >>>> thats concerning, keep that in mind when relaxing policies. Its
> >>>> flu season, and given the disruption of interaction, this years
> >>>> flu vaccine is not going to very effective, its worth keeping
> >>>> covid policies in place regardless to not have staff out with a
> >>>> wild flu.
> >>>> And remember, the media frenzy is only just beginning its 8 days
> >>>> of hell,
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza
> >>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We are so bad we were featured on ABC News.... people just
> >>>> want to fucking party...
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 1:25 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Numbers here in Illinois are bad again today, all we can
> >>>> say is “at least we’re not Wisconsin”.____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> I no longer roll my eyes at my daughter choosing to live
> >>>> in Maine, where “social distancing” was already the norm.
> >>>> (bike photo was actually from a ride a month ago up to the
> >>>> Quebec border)____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jaime
> >>>> Solorza
> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:17 PM
> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WISPs & Covid at 8 months and
> >>>> counting____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thursday our techs had to stop wiring up panel and
> >>>> stuff because two electricians would wear masks...I wasn't
> >>>> there , I would have made them step outside ...our boss
> >>>> complained to water utilities because we are on a schedule
> >>>> with several people. ____
> >>>>
> >>>> The control room is small. ____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM Matt Hoppes
> >>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:____
> >>>>
> >>>> We are doing normal installs for now. Watching our
> >>>> local county info in internal tracking systems I
> >>>> developed. ____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> So far we’re staying fairly isolated. If things
> >>>> severely spike this winter we will shut down installs
> >>>> again. ____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> At this point we are not masking nor requiring
> >>>> customers to wear masks - but we do ask customers to
> >>>> stay 10feet away from techs. This point will be driven
> >>>> home even more as we go into the winter months. ____
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 24, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof
> >>>> <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> So 8 months in, numbers are getting worse not
> >>>> better, and despite what anybody says the end is
> >>>> not just around the corner.____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember at the beginning some WISPs were not
> >>>> sending techs inside customer homes, maybe pushing
> >>>> a cable through the wall and having the customer
> >>>> plug in the POE and router. Is anybody still
> >>>> declining to do inside work? Installs,
> >>>> repairs?____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, what about the FCC requested “pledge” not to
> >>>> disconnect customers for nonpayment during the
> >>>> pandemic. How many are still doing that, and
> >>>> assuming things won’t be back to “normal” until
> >>>> well into 2021 or even 2022, how long do you plan
> >>>> to continue? Are you taking any additional steps,
> >>>> like downgrading their speed or declining to do
> >>>> upgrades, or requiring proof of hardship? I know
> >>>> this wasn’t mandatory, but if we did it
> >>>> voluntarily, should there be a time limit? And if
> >>>> at that point they are 6-12 months behind, do we
> >>>> write that off rather than expecting they will
> >>>> catch up?____
> >>>>
> >>>> ____
> >>>>
> >>>> It’s also interesting I see on cable company
> >>>> forums issues about mask refusal, both by techs
> >>>> and customers, and even of customers who have
> >>>> Covid but still want their Internet fixed. I
> >>>> hesitate to bring this up because it has become a
> >>>> political or “freedom” issue in a way that
> >>>> seatbelts or smoking or wearing a yellow vest at a
> >>>> grain elevator or even picking up after your dog
> >>>> isn’t, and I’m tired of being caught in the
> >>>> middle. But take the extreme case of a customer
> >>>> who recently tested positive or the tech gets
> >>>> there and strongly suspects someone in the house
> >>>> is contagious, is this really happening, and what
> >>>> is your response? At the beginning I would ask
> >>>> when setting up every appointment, has anyone in
> >>>> the house tested positive, but I’ve come to
> >>>> believe that’s pointless.____
> >>>>
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