I still like the super micros for heavy lifting like email but everything else go into a VM.

Dell we use for Our VMhosts. I did recently install an HP for preseem and love it got a 10G transparent bridge moving thru it.


On 9/26/2020 7:43 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Anything DC is going to severely limit your choices. You need almost nothing for DNS and DHCP but email...useful email takes a decent machine nowadays for all the spam checking and header checks. I gave up doing email ages ago and went to gmail. Best decision I ever made. No need to spark a war, just a sideline comment.

As for reliability, Either Dell or HP I think are the best. Haven't done Dell in a while but when I did I was happy with them.  They both make blade servers. I have been researching blade servers recently for a new project. HP has an 8 slot C3000 and a 16 slot C7000. Dell has the M1000e. The HP has a storage blade that holds 16 drives and can serve as DAS, ISCSI, fiber channel and about any other disk access you like. I think you can put 8 of those in. They both have chassis management so you can manage the blades from a central admin console on a hardware level. Dell is more tightly integrated with VMWare than HP from what I could tell but I don't know what that integration buys you.

Both are available on the refurb market.
This next bit may be incorrect but I don't think so from what I could tell: No matter if you buy refurb or brand new blades appear to come out a generation behind their rack mounted brothers. For instance in HP I think the latest you can get in a blade is a Gen9 server while current rack units and desktop servers are at Gen 10. Gen 10 has a better iLO5 (Integrated Lights Out) than Gen 8 and 9 iLO4. I don't believe you can upgrade that iLO separately as it is built into the MB. Dell used to have their DRAC which does the same thing and it plugged into a special slot so was independant of the MB and could be upgraded but I don't know what they have now. I assume HP moved to the on MB way to save money so I am assuming they have both moved that way.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:09 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    I need to put in some servers.  I want to go durable.  Last a long
    time.
    Thinking blade servers.
    Email, DNS etc,  Perhaps in the future DHCP.  Other things an ISP
    uses.
    Suggestions?  I like the idea of hot swap etc.  I realize VM and
    Hyper V, all kinds of virtualization makes life easy.
    But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability.
    Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it.
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