Cambium published one not too long ago on that subject that Matt Mangriotis wrote. Cambium has both proprietary and LTE products.
Mark > On Sep 14, 2020, at 7:29 AM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote: > > This is very helpful conversation, we definitely appreciate the input. As > Trey mentioned has anyone been able to compare tree penetration of the two > solutions? That is the main issue for us. The comments about complexity > and so on are what has kept us away from the LTE based products thus far, and > from watching the Baicells Facebook page, stability and can also be an issue. > We are just wondering if now is the time to take on the complexity if it > brings a notable improvement in the heavily treed areas and gives us some > real Non LOS coverage. If it is incremental at best, or not much of an > improvement, we already have an investment in PMP 450 and the 450m would be a > heck of a lot more comfortable to us. But if there is notable improvement, > it might be the time to invest the effort into learning a new platform. > > A couple of you mentioned trying LTE and then also working with 450m. Is > the Non LOS coverage about the same when they were both working correctly, or > was there a big difference? > > Regards, > > David Coudron > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Trey Scarborough > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors > > Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and Cambium? > I am mainly looking at tree penetration or lower DB signals to actual > throughput comparison. I have been told that LTE gets a little better tree > penetration but if that is at a low rate that really doesn't help any. > > On 9/12/2020 10:03 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: > It comes down to complexity. Ericsson, Nokia, etc are all cellular brands and > to run and manage those complex LTE networks, you need full time engineers to > manage, debug, and optimize things. > > Cambium is so easy, in comparison, there's very little extra learning to do > in order to get it running great. Ericsson LTE probably would require months > of training and needing to hire someone just to run the gear or hire > expensive consultants to do it for you. > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com > <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > 450m is the only way to do, especially if your already using the 450 platform > in other parts of your network, there is an operator in my area with the > Ericson system and they had a ton of issues with getting it up and running, > not even sure if they ever got it all resolved. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:00 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us > <mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: > Yup what josh said lol. > > We tried the LTE thing and glad we switch to 450m...much easier. > > -Sean > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: > Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying > the 450m sooner. > > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> > Suite 1337 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> > Troy, OH 45373 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com > <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff. > > You'll max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO. I think > > part of the magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously > > low signal, but on a fixed system you probably won't really want the > > trashy signals anyway. > > > Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth. The CBRS version > > is supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget > > precisely when). > > > > I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no > > EPC", but definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry > > about. The connection from eNB to EPC has to be pristine, > > and the EPC comes with its own set of new terminology and new > > concepts to figure out. > > > > > > > > > > On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS > > stating coverage is nearly the same as LTE but way better speeds > > and triple the aggregate capacity due to mu-mimo. > > > > > > > Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just > > straight layer 2 with no bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM > > David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com > <mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We are looking at a new area to > > expand out network that has a lot more tree cover than > > our current footprint. We are thinking with the > > combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to > > offer better coverage than with traditional fixed > > wireless options. We have started conversations with > > the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands > > on experience with any of them and what their > > impressions were: > > > Blinq > > > Airspan > > > Baicells > > > Ericsson > > > > > > The Ericsson equipment is in a class > > by itself price wise, but the others are similarly > > priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450 > > stuff. Normally we would add more tower sites for > > better coverage, but this project will need to be done > > before the end of the year and building towers isn’t an > > option. We have good enough spread on the towers that > > we think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are > > thinking we’d get even better coverage out of LTE. Any > > opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the > > four vendors above? Sorry for such an open ended > > question, but not sure what to ask to be more > > specific. We know that we will have the LTE stuff to > > deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so not so > > much worried about that as more the manufacturers > > themselves. 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