This is very helpful conversation, we definitely appreciate the input. As Trey mentioned has anyone been able to compare tree penetration of the two solutions? That is the main issue for us. The comments about complexity and so on are what has kept us away from the LTE based products thus far, and from watching the Baicells Facebook page, stability and can also be an issue. We are just wondering if now is the time to take on the complexity if it brings a notable improvement in the heavily treed areas and gives us some real Non LOS coverage. If it is incremental at best, or not much of an improvement, we already have an investment in PMP 450 and the 450m would be a heck of a lot more comfortable to us. But if there is notable improvement, it might be the time to invest the effort into learning a new platform.
A couple of you mentioned trying LTE and then also working with 450m. Is the Non LOS coverage about the same when they were both working correctly, or was there a big difference? Regards, David Coudron From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:43 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors Has anyone done a comparison or know of a whitepaper between LTE and Cambium? I am mainly looking at tree penetration or lower DB signals to actual throughput comparison. I have been told that LTE gets a little better tree penetration but if that is at a low rate that really doesn't help any. On 9/12/2020 10:03 AM, Darin Steffl wrote: It comes down to complexity. Ericsson, Nokia, etc are all cellular brands and to run and manage those complex LTE networks, you need full time engineers to manage, debug, and optimize things. Cambium is so easy, in comparison, there's very little extra learning to do in order to get it running great. Ericsson LTE probably would require months of training and needing to hire someone just to run the gear or hire expensive consultants to do it for you. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: 450m is the only way to do, especially if your already using the 450 platform in other parts of your network, there is an operator in my area with the Ericson system and they had a ton of issues with getting it up and running, not even sure if they ever got it all resolved. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:00 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote: Yup what josh said lol. We tried the LTE thing and glad we switch to 450m...much easier. -Sean On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying the 450m sooner. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> Suite 1337<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> Troy, OH 45373<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff. You'll max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO. I think part of the magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously low signal, but on a fixed system you probably won't really want the trashy signals anyway. Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth. The CBRS version is supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget precisely when). I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no EPC", but definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry about. The connection from eNB to EPC has to be pristine, and the EPC comes with its own set of new terminology and new concepts to figure out. On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS stating coverage is nearly the same as LTE but way better speeds and triple the aggregate capacity due to mu-mimo. Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just straight layer 2 with no bullshit. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com<mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote: We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more tree cover than our current footprint. We are thinking with the combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage than with traditional fixed wireless options. We have started conversations with the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands on experience with any of them and what their impressions were: Blinq Airspan Baicells Ericsson The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450 stuff. Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but this project will need to be done before the end of the year and building towers isn’t an option. We have good enough spread on the towers that we think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even better coverage out of LTE. Any opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the four vendors above? Sorry for such an open ended question, but not sure what to ask to be more specific. We know that we will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers themselves. Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with Huawei. Thoughts? Regards, David Coudron -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Trey Scarborough VP Engineering 3DS Communications LLC p:9729741539
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