Maybe we should call them "regulatory infracting immigrants"


On 8/28/2020 4:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a regulation. Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeah....there are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t illegal immigrants.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hour....which at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Bro....the free market HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

    I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and
    OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates
    are of general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and
    drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick
    learners, don’t cause problems and have far less drug issues.

    I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had
    to take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with
    chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being
    confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of
    this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys
    bought new equipment”.... !?!  Right before getting fired his
    supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks
    mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
    mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy
    equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his freedom. Supervisor
    told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a ton of
    freedom.

    But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white
    bums. We have a ton of them around here it seems.

    *From:*Cameron Crum

    *Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

    *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

    I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house
    one time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they
    are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

    On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
        Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
        compared to Hispanics.

        *From:*Josh Luthman

        *Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

        *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

        Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
        blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

        Well..why look for the other job?

        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373

        On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
            He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
            interview (had to go to two different places for the
            interviews). Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called
            him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

            Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications,
            10 will actually agree to an interview. Maybe 3 will show
            up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
            the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
            am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
            interviewing, we do a background check now for driving
            problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people.

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