You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks. Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe.
Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may want to form a group. Unfortunately some of the people you probably want to talk with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult with the anti-collusion rules. Mark > On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: > > NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing. > There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550. > 3300-3550 IIRC > > Gino Villarini > Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> > <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> > <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> > <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> > <https://bit.ly/BBoffer1> > www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite > 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf > of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> > Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Date: Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far > > They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”. Does that mean not > for us? > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com > <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far > > If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we > expect more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new > CBRS band is now? > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >> >We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower >> >with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! >> >> That says a lot =( >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com >> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: >>> Mark, >>> I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us >>> coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my Aps >>> to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist >>> My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2 >>> I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp >>> We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower >>> with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! >>> >>> On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>> At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing. >>>> >>>> Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination >>>> but they were only looking at their own GAA assignments >>>> >>>> Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” >>>> to any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent. >>>> >>>> I don’t know what the others are doing. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not yet. I guess that's still a wish list item. >>>>> >>>>> On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>> Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the elusive >>>>>> incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in that CBRS >>>>>> chunk? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz. The >>>>>>> only difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only. If you request a >>>>>>> frequency in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL >>>>>>> operator. But there could be umpteen other GAA operators using that >>>>>>> frequency, so I don’t think the SAS needs to consider things like >>>>>>> frequency reuse because they just automatically approve the grant >>>>>>> unless it would impact a PAL protection area or an incumbent. Also >>>>>>> there can be a max of 7 PALs issued in a county, so there should be at >>>>>>> least 30 MHz for GAA in the lower 100 MHz. Not a specific set of >>>>>>> channels though. But again, there could be umpteen WISPs all trying to >>>>>>> use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the SASes do anything to police or >>>>>>> coordinate GAA. Even in the case where there is enough GAA spectrum in >>>>>>> an area to accommodate everyone on separate frequencies, I don’t see >>>>>>> how they would communicate this to the operators, since they either >>>>>>> approve or deny grant requests, they don’t suggest gee why don’t you >>>>>>> use this other frequency instead, it’s open. You have to do your own >>>>>>> SA to determine that. And repeat regularly. Even if there was a >>>>>>> mechanism in the protocols to request auto frequency assignment from >>>>>>> the SAS, there’s more than one SAS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It’s a very complex system that doesn’t do much if everyone is GAA. >>>>>>> Other than give us some more spectrum, and do away with LBT (which >>>>>>> sucked). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>>>> Sent:Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:44 AM >>>>>>> To:AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>> Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>> >>>>>>> there are only 50mhz gaa, im talking about the other 100 operation >>>>>>> without pal >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >>>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> With or without PAL? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate >>>>>>>> frequencies between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users. I >>>>>>>> think you’re giving the SAS too much credit for policing or >>>>>>>> coordinating frequency assignments among GAA users. As long as you’re >>>>>>>> not stepping on an incumbent or a PAL protection area, I think they’ll >>>>>>>> give you a grant for whatever frequency you want. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PAL holders will probably need to work this out though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From:AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>>>>> Sent:Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM >>>>>>>> To:AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency >>>>>>>> now? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> There are several variants: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on >>>>>>>>> the same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base >>>>>>>>> station and the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind >>>>>>>>> that in the mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s. For our >>>>>>>>> purposes each BS and all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single >>>>>>>>> frequency group. This is also for frequency reuse - if you use >>>>>>>>> channels A, B, C on your network and reuse them in some type of >>>>>>>>> pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, B’s in >>>>>>>>> another, etc. If a SFG has to change channels they all have to >>>>>>>>> change together. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match. >>>>>>>>> Think multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a >>>>>>>>> common UL:DL ratio. Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL >>>>>>>>> ratio. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of >>>>>>>>>> operators could have overlapping assignments because the operators >>>>>>>>>> are using some mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I >>>>>>>>>> don't know if those made it to the end, nor what form they've taken. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/tSHtCXD0zzhMXWKT6W8j3/> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/y0xjC31pnnsRpOKFv6tyb/> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/kLSaC73wrrIWAwNskryDr/> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>> From:"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and >>>>>>>>>> the same split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going >>>>>>>>>> to interfere even if we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we >>>>>>>>>> are not running the same standards in the same split then we are >>>>>>>>>> going to interfere with each other even if we are very far away from >>>>>>>>>> each other. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = >>>>>>>>>>> receive power. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/tSHtCXD0zzhMXWKT6W8j3/> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/y0xjC31pnnsRpOKFv6tyb/> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/kLSaC73wrrIWAwNskryDr/> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>>> From:"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can >>>>>>>>>>> run so many different standards and settings? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar >>>>>>>>>>>> reminders to stop >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone just can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel >>>>>>>>>>>>> right next to you. Every AP has to get a grant from SAS before it >>>>>>>>>>>>> can transmit. Also if Demand says 15 there is no way to tell if >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 bidders are trying to bid >>>>>>>>>>>>> on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the auction is over >>>>>>>>>>>>> more info but while the auction is taking place everything is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> secret. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of interference protection if someone else doesn't play by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rules and they don't get any punishment for doing so... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to know you do because I don't feel that's going to be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> game changer for hitting customers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drinking! They be purchased after the auction? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divided over 10 years, it's a manageable number for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interference free spectrum. What do you pay per year in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interference related truck rolls, tech time and list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:06 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously the last round is public knowledge. After the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auction is over, are the results of all rounds public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/tSHtCXD0zzhMXWKT6W8j3/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/y0xjC31pnnsRpOKFv6tyb/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/kLSaC73wrrIWAwNskryDr/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From:"Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:11:20 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct - no way to tell who is bidding. The complete list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of bidders is public knowledge: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.fcc.gov/document/auction-105-35-ghz-qualified-bidders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.fcc.gov/document/auction-105-35-ghz-qualified-bidders> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which counties those 271 bidders are bidding on is only known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the FCC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume the 14 or 15 bidders is a closely guarded secret? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't begin to think who would be able to pay 30k around here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for that besides Verizon/AT&T/Sprint... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:37 AM Mark Radabaugh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that the confidentiality and anti collusion rules apply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone who filed the short form. Be very careful that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you say in here does not violate the FCC rules. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything discussed so far is from the public information >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FCC is releasing or from the auction public notice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To read the results Josh posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The price does not include discounts - 75% of the posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price if you qualified as being under 25M/year in revenue - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so closer to 27k There is also a rural provider credit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It reads: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the initial round the price of one 10Mhz PAL was $21,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not counting any discounts you may have been eligible for. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There were 14 bids at that price, with only 7 lots >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the second round the price of one PAL was $24,000 (less >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discounts). There were 15 bids at that price, with only 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the 5th round the price for one PAL went up to $33,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (less discounts) with demand down to 10 PAL’s. The price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went up for ALL 7 of the PAL’s. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The price will keep going up until the demand is equal to 7. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once demand gets to 7 there is still a posted price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase - but unless someone adds additional demand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price will stay at the previous start of round price. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The price/demand could sit at 7 for the next (insert number) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of rounds and then start going back up if another bidder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decides they are priced out of one county and want to move >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another county. Or if they are just playing games. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once a county is at or above a demand for 7 PAL’s the price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won’t go down. If you get a PAL in a round and later >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide you don’t want it, you are stuck buying it unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else bids at the higher price. You can change your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demand to 0, saying you don’t want it anymore, but unless >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else wants it you are stuck with it. Just like a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal auction - once you are the winning bidder, you own it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless someone outbids you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For bidders there are required activity levels that you have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to meet. Essentially you have to bid 95% of your initial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deposit on each round. If you don’t bid that what you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed to bid in the next round goes down. The rule is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically to keep bidders from sandbagging - if you haven’t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been bidding and are just waiting to see what others are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to do you will run out of eligibility pretty quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s up to 37k per 10mhz block. Demand is going down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though! lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:22, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idea how to read this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your county up to 30k per 10mhz block? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:08 AM Josh Baird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming it's too late at this point to get into the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial rounds that are taking place this week? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't really been keeping up with this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adam Moffett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also lost track of the whole auction situation. Will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there be another round later? Seems like nobody bid on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the counties around us, and I wish I'd thrown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a minimum bid at this point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2020 12:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our starting bid was relatively inexpensive over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ten year term for our 5 counties and 4 pals each. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost had the boss talked into giving it serious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consideration so i could pull the trigger on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auction. then the world ended and that got back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burnered. byt the time we came back to it there was no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to learn enough about the auction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:54 PM Dave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My guess is none... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im sooo sick of the BS games the FCC and 'BIG BOYZ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are playing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So funny how they say "Sure anyone can get a pal" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FCC should have shoved a big FU to all WISPs and just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us die. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I first saw the pricing on our county and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding countys for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bid I knew there was no chance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let the lawsuits FLY... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2020 5:51 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 7/27/20 15:42, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 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