I always thought of speed as the latency as I was taught in the golden
age of X.25 host LOL!
Capacity is the measure of how much can we send at one time with that
same latency.
Am I wrong on this??
On 7/23/2020 2:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So true.
Of course a couple days ago I had a customer all worried because her
Internet was SO SLOW compared to what she should have. She works for
Blue Cross / Blue Shield and was applying to work from home and they
told her to go to speedtest.net and then gave her a screenshot of how
to share her results. The screenshot showed a download speed of 91
Mbps. She interpreted it as that’s what she should have. She is
currently on a 10 Mbps plan and thought OMG I only have one tenth of
what I should have and I’ll never be able to work from home.
And IT people can be a pain in the butt. Maybe there should also be an
IT to English dictionary.
1 Gbps = fast
100 Mbps = barely adequate
10 Mbps = slower than dialup
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 2:00 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary
I feel the same way about the word "speed", and by extension the word
"slow".
It's partly our own fault for calling "bits per second" a "speed"
starting back in the 90's. "Oh you've only got a speed of 10Mbps?
That must be why it's slow. "
The thing a customer actually cares about in terms of speed is that
when they click a link, buy a PS4 game, and so on that, that the the
result of whatever they initiated comes quickly. The way people use
the term, "Speed" of the network is more like how much work was
performed over time, and bps plays a role in that (especially
downloading the PS4 game), but every single thing between the user and
the server plays a role in that too. Even excluding the things
outside of our control, the perceived "speed" is impacted by buffers,
queues, QoS, latency, jitter, and so on.
So this "customer to english" translation is the inverse of the
problem where all boxes with blinky lights get a random name. All
problems impacting completion of tasks are called "slow speeds".
"slow service" = jitter in my online game
"slow service" = my wifi signal sucks
"slow service" = Facebook is down
"slow service" = An App Store download on my Dad's iPad is stuck at 58
out of 130MB and won't go past that.
"slow service" = My VoIP call is breaking up
"slow service" = speedtest.net says I get 9.2Mbps, but I pay for
10Mbps. And really that's irrelevant, what I'm really calling about is
my work VPN won't connect because I have a 1492 byte MTU and their
Sonicwall drops PMTUD packets, but the first thing I do for any
problem is run speedtest.net and then report whatever's wrong as slow
service.
Then when they tell you service is "slow" and you seek clarification
about what's not working or what's being slow for them they think
you're arguing about it. Really they're making such a general
statement that you have no idea what to even look for yet.
On 7/23/2020 2:30 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
“Signal” and “Connection” are two of the most problematic words as
far as not meaning the same thing to customers as to tech support
people.
Like if customer says I have no signal, I figure they must be
talking about no WiFi signal because they specifically used the
word signal. But often they are using the word “signal” to mean
“Internet”. So if Facebook or Netflix doesn’t work, they have no
signal.
Then there are the people who complain they only have 1 bar of
signal so we need to come out and adjust their antenna. But they
are looking at the Ethernet port lights on the router and thinking
those are WiFi bars. This happens a lot with Mikrotiks which have
the 1-5 LEDs on top.
Same with the word connection. I have no connection, I can’t get
connected. Is their device telling them no connections are
available? Like when they same I’m not on my phone. What does it
mean to be “on” your phone?
At least Internet Explorer is pretty much gone. People used to
tell us they were clicking on “the Internet”, I think usually they
meant Internet Explorer. Now they say they use Google, and we’re
not sure if they mean Chrome, or they are searching with Google
(many people don’t know how to enter a web address).
Then there’s “I am trying to log onto the Internet”. Wait, are
you entering login credentials like a username and password? Is
this your Windows login? Gmail? Often they don’t really mean log
in, just do something, like go to a webpage. So
Log in = do something
Don’t get me going on the symbols on home routers. The sparkler
is on, the tadpole is off …
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 11:33 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer to English dictionary
Yeah and since the monitor says "No Signal" right on the screen I
can almost understand the confusion. I think laptops and tablets
are making monitor malfunctions a less common thing though.
On 7/23/2020 12:11 PM, castarritt wrote:
I've got no signal = Monitor on while PC powered down
On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 10:41 AM Larry Smith
<lesm...@ecsis.net <mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net>> wrote:
We haven't touched anything = my son/daughter/cousin
staying with us wanted faster internet so they moved the
router
into their room and now nothing works.
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On Thu July 23 2020 10:22, Nate Burke wrote:
> 'Connection has been Unusable for several days' = Normal
streaming
> patterns until an hour ago.
>
> 'I don't know why the radio is offline' =
> Self/husband/child/pet/landscaper cut the cable outside.
>
> 'It just stopped working' = new roof was installed
>
> On 7/23/2020 8:23 AM, Ron M. wrote:
> > "The internet is down" = I can't get to my one specific
> > (blog/porn/political/etc) website. I can get to
everything else, just
> > not that one site.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:17 AM Josh Luthman
> > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > "I've got nothing" = My DirectTV doesn't work, but
my cell phone
> > works, husbands phone and tablet works, all four
kids are watching
> > 2 video streams each
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:36 AM Steve Jones
> > <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > I've had old men start reading the label on
the poe to me and
> > it takes a bit to understand what they're
telling me cause I
> > cant even see most of it. Amazing to me.
> >
> > Also
> >
> > Right next to the router: 3 rooms over through
a refrigerator
> > behind a tv.
> >
> > <insert scrap online service> says your
internet is too slow:
> > Patel, I mean Roy from tech support doesnt
even know what the
> > service is he is supporting
> >
> > I didnt touch anything since it was installed:
I moved every
> > wire and managed to make my cordless phone
power supply cord
> > fit in the router
> >
> > That's the way your techs left it: I am a liar
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 8:01 PM Adam Moffett
> > <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Modem = a box with blinky lights.
> >
> > Router = a box with blinky lights.
> >
> > Hub = a box with blinky lights.
> >
> > Switch = a box with blink lights.
> >
> > You don't know what it is until they read
the words on it
> > and tell you it's the Linksy.
> >
> > On 7/22/2020 6:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> I think we need one. For example,
> >>
> >> Satellite = antenna (e.g. you put a
satellite on my roof)
> >>
> >> Cable = TV (e.g. where do I plug in the
cable)
> >>
> >> WiFi = Internet
> >>
> >> Booster = range extender
> >>
> >> Linsky = router (also Link System)
> >>
> >> Slow as dialup = meaningless, nobody
remembers dialup
> >
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