It was reported that it was:  ICE, DHS, Fed Marshals, DEA, C&BP and an unidentified coordination group, which really scares me.   But it was pulled from many groups to assemble the size they brought in from the local areas.  The outfits of some of the protestors were pretty over the top as well, full riot gear. This was weird in so many ways. The gear the Feds were wearing was marked simply Police on the front.   No badges or more importantly badge numbers, no cameras, nothing that is now used to verify responses.

The building that was set on fire was the Police Union office, so a very thought out target.   This looks so planned from so many different sides...


On 7/20/20 8:10 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I agree Bill

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 8:49 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Sending in US Marshals (and I presume other federal agents) in
    unmarked vehicles and unmarked uniforms is doing nothing but
    adding fuel to the fire; and it also shows a lack of huevos.


    bp
    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 7/20/2020 6:54 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
    No doubt the only difference between cops and criminals in some
    cases is luck.  If someone with a predisposition to cracking
    heads manages to not get arrested as a youth due to dumb luck,
    they can find a place being a cop.
    I am amused at times how police unions freak out at experiments
    proposed by Berkeley.  Sure, if it works they will lose some
    membership...
    Can it all be summed up as some cops are Sheriff Taylor and
    others are Barney Fife?
    Perhaps too many of them work for Boss Hogg.
    If more were like Sandra Bullock getting frisked could be more
    pleasant.
    *From:* Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2020 6:38 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

    The cause is that some cops behave poorly and maybe we can do
    better than that.

      * Some of them are clearly racist.  There is strong statistical
        and experimental evidence of this.  This shouldn't actually
        be a controversial thing to point out since all cops are
        humans and some humans are racist.
      * Some of them are too quick to violence.
      * Some of them actively defend and cover for their coworkers
        who have been too violent or racist.
      * A lot of them look the other way.
      * A lot of departments have a lot of unnecessary hardware.

    Some of the protesters are hooligans.  Some of the cops are
    hooligans too.  There's plenty of video evidence to support both
    of those statements.

    Look at the number of people killed by police per capita in the
    USA vs other countries.  We're not as bad as the Philippines or
    Syria, but we do have more people killed by police than any of
    our Western allies do, both in absolute total and per capita.  I
    can't accept the idea that there's no real problem here and it's
    just "the left" trying to trick us into voting a certain way.

    On 7/19/2020 11:28 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

    It's about November. It's about maintaining a constant state 9f
    exhaustion. There isnt any actual cause behind it
    On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 7:00 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        The whole occupy whatever, set fire to whatever,
        irrespective of the adopted noble cause seems like a way to
        get away with being hooligans and spinning it as some form
        of justifiable act.   I guess so they can have bragging
        rights later on.  I believe them to be disingenuous and
        hypocritical.
        This says it far better than I can:
        
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8532541/Portland-cop-calls-BLM-protesters-hypocritical-not-having-minorities-department.html
        *From:* Ken Hohhof
        *Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2020 5:17 PM
        *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

        “Peaceful protesters hold signs in support of other people”
        doesn’t make the news.  So most likely you are thinking of a
        small percentage of the protesters, because they are the
        ones who make the news.  I’m not saying it’s “fake news”,
        just that boring news doesn’t get ratings and advertising
        dollars.

        Also not sure what your threshold is for “misbehaving”. 
        Spray painting graffiti on government buildings? Probably
        only a few people are doing that, but still, is that
        anarchy?  Throwing rocks or burning stuff, yes, that
        probably crosses a line.  But holding up a speaker?  News
        like this, if true (as seems likely), is disturbing:

        
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/police-shoot-portland-protester-in-head-with-impact-weapon-causing-severe-injuries.html

        What puzzles me is why you single out white kids and a noble
        cause as being childish.  Do you expect them to only go out
        and demonstrate for causes that directly benefit them or
        people who look like them?  Are we that polarized and
        selfish now?

        I live in a suburb that is mostly white middle class.  But I
        am seeing a lot of yard signs that say “Injustice anywhere
        is a threat to justice everywhere.”  That’s probably the
        sentiment of _most_ of the protesters in Portland.  If the
        cops can go all Judge Dredd on George Floyd, maybe that
        threatens all of us, even if the street judges aren’t coming
        for people that look like us.  Yet.

        Maybe think back to 1978 when some Nazis wanted to march in
        heavily Jewish Skokie, IL and the ACLU defended their right
        to free speech. Pretty much nobody wanted marching Nazis,
        but if you take away their rights, whose rights are next?
        (But I still laugh at the Illinois Nazis scene in Blues
        Brothers.)

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Colin
        Stanners
        *Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2020 5:31 PM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - political

        
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anti-fascist-teenagers-seeking-revolution-behind-continued-portland-riots
        
<http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anti-fascist-teenagers-seeking-revolution-behind-continued-portland-riots>

        I don't want to encourage political threads on AFMUG but...

        Some people just want to watch the world burn. Current
        situations in the world mean that those people can tag onto
        a reason or (pretext to) join a group or find support to
        help them in those desires. And somehow, a lot of those
        people live around Portland?

        On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 3:49 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding.

            What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland?

            I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s
            over Vietnam.
            I also remember a line of State Police walking through a
            park downtown and busting heads of those that did not
            clear out. Actually one of my first telco bosses had
            been one of those State Bull Cops.

            Are young white kids just aching for a chance at
            anarchy?  I don’t get it.

            Misbehaving while trying to wrap some kind of noble
            cause around you is pretty childish.

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