The cause is that some cops behave poorly and maybe we can do better
than that.
* Some of them are clearly racist. There is strong statistical and
experimental evidence of this. This shouldn't actually be a
controversial thing to point out since all cops are humans and some
humans are racist.
* Some of them are too quick to violence.
* Some of them actively defend and cover for their coworkers who have
been too violent or racist.
* A lot of them look the other way.
* A lot of departments have a lot of unnecessary hardware.
Some of the protesters are hooligans. Some of the cops are hooligans
too. There's plenty of video evidence to support both of those statements.
Look at the number of people killed by police per capita in the USA vs
other countries. We're not as bad as the Philippines or Syria, but we
do have more people killed by police than any of our Western allies do,
both in absolute total and per capita. I can't accept the idea that
there's no real problem here and it's just "the left" trying to trick us
into voting a certain way.
On 7/19/2020 11:28 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
It's about November. It's about maintaining a constant state 9f
exhaustion. There isnt any actual cause behind it
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 7:00 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
The whole occupy whatever, set fire to whatever, irrespective of
the adopted noble cause seems like a way to get away with being
hooligans and spinning it as some form of justifiable act. I
guess so they can have bragging rights later on. I believe them
to be disingenuous and hypocritical.
This says it far better than I can:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8532541/Portland-cop-calls-BLM-protesters-hypocritical-not-having-minorities-department.html
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2020 5:17 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
“Peaceful protesters hold signs in support of other people”
doesn’t make the news. So most likely you are thinking of a small
percentage of the protesters, because they are the ones who make
the news. I’m not saying it’s “fake news”, just that boring news
doesn’t get ratings and advertising dollars.
Also not sure what your threshold is for “misbehaving”. Spray
painting graffiti on government buildings? Probably only a few
people are doing that, but still, is that anarchy? Throwing rocks
or burning stuff, yes, that probably crosses a line. But holding
up a speaker? News like this, if true (as seems likely), is
disturbing:
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/police-shoot-portland-protester-in-head-with-impact-weapon-causing-severe-injuries.html
What puzzles me is why you single out white kids and a noble cause
as being childish. Do you expect them to only go out and
demonstrate for causes that directly benefit them or people who
look like them? Are we that polarized and selfish now?
I live in a suburb that is mostly white middle class. But I am
seeing a lot of yard signs that say “Injustice anywhere is a
threat to justice everywhere.” That’s probably the sentiment of
_most_ of the protesters in Portland. If the cops can go all
Judge Dredd on George Floyd, maybe that threatens all of us, even
if the street judges aren’t coming for people that look like us. Yet.
Maybe think back to 1978 when some Nazis wanted to march in
heavily Jewish Skokie, IL and the ACLU defended their right to
free speech. Pretty much nobody wanted marching Nazis, but if you
take away their rights, whose rights are next? (But I still laugh
at the Illinois Nazis scene in Blues Brothers.)
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, July 19, 2020 5:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - political
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anti-fascist-teenagers-seeking-revolution-behind-continued-portland-riots
<http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/anti-fascist-teenagers-seeking-revolution-behind-continued-portland-riots>
I don't want to encourage political threads on AFMUG but...
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Current situations
in the world mean that those people can tag onto a reason or
(pretext to) join a group or find support to help them in those
desires. And somehow, a lot of those people live around Portland?
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 3:49 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not trying to break lent, but I am lacking understanding.
What are the young white kids rioting about in Portland?
I am from Oregon, I remember protests in the 60s and 70s over
Vietnam.
I also remember a line of State Police walking through a park
downtown and busting heads of those that did not clear out.
Actually one of my first telco bosses had been one of those
State Bull Cops.
Are young white kids just aching for a chance at anarchy? I
don’t get it.
Misbehaving while trying to wrap some kind of noble cause
around you is pretty childish.
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