Interesting point. I was thinking campground might be a different
matter than a rented home.....maybe not.
On 5/26/2020 3:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
That's going to be interesting. Does he have the rights to deny a
renter allowing someone access to their rental. Don't think so.
On 05/26/2020 12:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
He can't tell people what services they're allowed to buy, but I _do
_think he can say someone isn't allowed on his property. If you're
the phone company you may have special rights in that regard, but
even then you might have to go to court to enforce them. If you're
just an ISP you may not have any special rights to access the
property (and this may vary by state, but at the federal level I
really don't think you do (at the moment, but this has been a fluid
situation in the past 10 years or so)).
I'd be careful trying to get combative about any of this. ARIN might
prefer him to have his own POC, and the FCC might like him to file
form 477 twice a year; but how many small ISP's are actually doing
everything we're supposed to, and did you care about any of his
compliance issues until you wanted to raise the price?
I'd try to reset the conversation and make it about mutual benefits
if possible. Maybe restate your colo offer.
On 5/26/2020 2:51 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
So we had a campsite that we used to service way back in the day (15
years ago). It was too forested for even 900Mhz to work properly.
So we abandoned doing wifi. We still provided the feed to them. As
the years passed the campsite didn't do much traffic because the
wifi was near impossible. They didn't make any money. Technology
improved as years went by and someone decided to put in a new wifi
system which still stinks but at least its viable for some people.
So he starts to charge money for wifi effectively making thousands
of dollars off a regular internet connection. I make this apparent
to our new GM that they are on a low end business package but they
are advertising and collecting money against our terms of service.
That being said I don't think the guy has signed any terms of
service since he's been with us so long. But that is a legal
battle. I could just shut their internet off and force them to sign
the new terms of service.
So I saw a potential issue starting to happen. We have fixed
wireless customers on one side of the camp. I thought if I created
my own bridge network inside the camp we could service customers who
want a dedicated internet fast enough for netflix etc. His WIFI
can't provide this sort of service.
So I offered to bring him in a dedicated bridge and good connection
to his camp for free effectively giving him a year free internet
(Over $1500 value easily). He could continue to resell Wifi for
free effectively!! But we wanted to mount some of our cambium
equipment in selected areas in the camp at 5Ghz to reach customers
that wanted our internet.
So the previous co-owner would have jumped at this. But he died.
His brother took over and its been pretty apparent by word of mouth
from the campers that this brother is a not too popular.
So I pitched the idea to him. This is a no brainer. I warned him
most likely my GM was going to ask him to pay more money soon this
was a good way out of it. HE TURNED IT DOWN.
Fast forward a year and my GM finally has decided that he needs to
pay more if he's going to resell. The owner of the campsite
decided if raise our price* he will not allow us* into his camp to
service our fixed wireless customers.
Is that even legal? If a camper wants to use direct TV or anything
like that they can hook what they want up to their trailer. How
could he restrict a camper from getting internet from any provider?
He going to stop people from getting cellular hubs?
Second, I could pull the Arin thing stating that if he's reselling
internet he needs to be registered with ARIN to become liable for
the traffic. He also needs to register with the CRTC as a
telecommunications carrier or the people who run the wifi must. All
vouchers need to be accounted for etc.
He has no other options in the area other than us. Nobody viable
anyway.
Wondering how I approach this. Because I actually like the camp.
The new owner is a bit of a dick though but it is a nice campsite.
I have my own equipment on my trailer including 2 AP's that service
people around me. He could easily just tell me to take it down or
they boot us out etc.
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