Well he can't stop me from coming on :) I can just do all the service work from inside if I need to.
Yeah I'm not going to be the bad cop in all of this. I'm the good cop and yes I will revisit the colo idea with him. Its sad though because this guy is so unintelligent to see a gift horse in the mouth and then shut out his only ISP option. Funny part though is I warned him this day would come! From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:23:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campsite Conundrum He can't tell people what services they're allowed to buy, but I do think he can say someone isn't allowed on his property. If you're the phone company you may have special rights in that regard, but even then you might have to go to court to enforce them. If you're just an ISP you may not have any special rights to access the property (and this may vary by state, but at the federal level I really don't think you do (at the moment, but this has been a fluid situation in the past 10 years or so)). I'd be careful trying to get combative about any of this. ARIN might prefer him to have his own POC, and the FCC might like him to file form 477 twice a year; but how many small ISP's are actually doing everything we're supposed to, and did you care about any of his compliance issues until you wanted to raise the price? I'd try to reset the conversation and make it about mutual benefits if possible. Maybe restate your colo offer. On 5/26/2020 2:51 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: So we had a campsite that we used to service way back in the day (15 years ago). It was too forested for even 900Mhz to work properly. So we abandoned doing wifi. We still provided the feed to them. As the years passed the campsite didn't do much traffic because the wifi was near impossible. They didn't make any money. Technology improved as years went by and someone decided to put in a new wifi system which still stinks but at least its viable for some people. So he starts to charge money for wifi effectively making thousands of dollars off a regular internet connection. I make this apparent to our new GM that they are on a low end business package but they are advertising and collecting money against our terms of service. That being said I don't think the guy has signed any terms of service since he's been with us so long. But that is a legal battle. I could just shut their internet off and force them to sign the new terms of service. So I saw a potential issue starting to happen. We have fixed wireless customers on one side of the camp. I thought if I created my own bridge network inside the camp we could service customers who want a dedicated internet fast enough for netflix etc. His WIFI can't provide this sort of service. So I offered to bring him in a dedicated bridge and good connection to his camp for free effectively giving him a year free internet (Over $1500 value easily). He could continue to resell Wifi for free effectively!! But we wanted to mount some of our cambium equipment in selected areas in the camp at 5Ghz to reach customers that wanted our internet. So the previous co-owner would have jumped at this. But he died. His brother took over and its been pretty apparent by word of mouth from the campers that this brother is a not too popular. So I pitched the idea to him. This is a no brainer. I warned him most likely my GM was going to ask him to pay more money soon this was a good way out of it. HE TURNED IT DOWN. Fast forward a year and my GM finally has decided that he needs to pay more if he's going to resell. The owner of the campsite decided if raise our price he will not allow us into his camp to service our fixed wireless customers. Is that even legal? If a camper wants to use direct TV or anything like that they can hook what they want up to their trailer. How could he restrict a camper from getting internet from any provider? He going to stop people from getting cellular hubs? Second, I could pull the Arin thing stating that if he's reselling internet he needs to be registered with ARIN to become liable for the traffic. He also needs to register with the CRTC as a telecommunications carrier or the people who run the wifi must. All vouchers need to be accounted for etc. He has no other options in the area other than us. Nobody viable anyway. Wondering how I approach this. Because I actually like the camp. The new owner is a bit of a dick though but it is a nice campsite. I have my own equipment on my trailer including 2 AP's that service people around me. He could easily just tell me to take it down or they boot us out etc. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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