Yeah they CHARGE $$$ per visitor that enter the campsite. I had my aunt visit last year $12 just for her to get in.
From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:35:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campsite Conundrum That's going to be interesting. Does he have the rights to deny a renter allowing someone access to their rental. Don't think so. On 05/26/2020 12:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > He can't tell people what services they're allowed to buy, but I _do > _think he can say someone isn't allowed on his property. If you're the > phone company you may have special rights in that regard, but even then > you might have to go to court to enforce them. If you're just an ISP > you may not have any special rights to access the property (and this may > vary by state, but at the federal level I really don't think you do (at > the moment, but this has been a fluid situation in the past 10 years or > so)). > > I'd be careful trying to get combative about any of this. ARIN might > prefer him to have his own POC, and the FCC might like him to file form > 477 twice a year; but how many small ISP's are actually doing everything > we're supposed to, and did you care about any of his compliance issues > until you wanted to raise the price? > > I'd try to reset the conversation and make it about mutual benefits if > possible. Maybe restate your colo offer. > > > > On 5/26/2020 2:51 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> So we had a campsite that we used to service way back in the day (15 >> years ago). It was too forested for even 900Mhz to work properly. So >> we abandoned doing wifi. We still provided the feed to them. As the >> years passed the campsite didn't do much traffic because the wifi was >> near impossible. They didn't make any money. Technology improved as >> years went by and someone decided to put in a new wifi system which >> still stinks but at least its viable for some people. >> >> So he starts to charge money for wifi effectively making thousands of >> dollars off a regular internet connection. I make this apparent to >> our new GM that they are on a low end business package but they are >> advertising and collecting money against our terms of service. That >> being said I don't think the guy has signed any terms of service since >> he's been with us so long. But that is a legal battle. I could just >> shut their internet off and force them to sign the new terms of service. >> >> So I saw a potential issue starting to happen. We have fixed wireless >> customers on one side of the camp. I thought if I created my own >> bridge network inside the camp we could service customers who want a >> dedicated internet fast enough for netflix etc. His WIFI can't >> provide this sort of service. >> >> So I offered to bring him in a dedicated bridge and good connection >> to his camp for free effectively giving him a year free internet (Over >> $1500 value easily). He could continue to resell Wifi for free >> effectively!! But we wanted to mount some of our cambium equipment in >> selected areas in the camp at 5Ghz to reach customers that wanted our >> internet. >> >> So the previous co-owner would have jumped at this. But he died. His >> brother took over and its been pretty apparent by word of mouth from >> the campers that this brother is a not too popular. >> >> So I pitched the idea to him. This is a no brainer. I warned him >> most likely my GM was going to ask him to pay more money soon this was >> a good way out of it. HE TURNED IT DOWN. >> >> Fast forward a year and my GM finally has decided that he needs to pay >> more if he's going to resell. The owner of the campsite decided if >> raise our price* he will not allow us* into his camp to service our >> fixed wireless customers. >> >> Is that even legal? If a camper wants to use direct TV or anything >> like that they can hook what they want up to their trailer. How could >> he restrict a camper from getting internet from any provider? He going >> to stop people from getting cellular hubs? >> >> Second, I could pull the Arin thing stating that if he's reselling >> internet he needs to be registered with ARIN to become liable for the >> traffic. He also needs to register with the CRTC as a >> telecommunications carrier or the people who run the wifi must. All >> vouchers need to be accounted for etc. >> >> He has no other options in the area other than us. Nobody viable anyway. >> >> Wondering how I approach this. Because I actually like the camp. The >> new owner is a bit of a dick though but it is a nice campsite. I have >> my own equipment on my trailer including 2 AP's that service people >> around me. He could easily just tell me to take it down or they boot >> us out etc. >> >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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