Not quite. There are multiple hypervisors running redundant routers.. and, they all have redundant PSU's.
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:02 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Th9s way a single power cord is all it takes to shut everything off > > On Wed, May 20, 2020, 6:51 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a >> single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For >> example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer >> aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other >> misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share >> between all of the CHR VM's. >> >> Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: >> >>> So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure >>> out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of >>> dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand >>> why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM >>> Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. >>> >>> On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> >>> That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were >>> using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother >>> with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. >>> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Josh, >>>> >>>> Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. >>>> What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export >>>> features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR >>>> router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload >>>> the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now >>>> with my routerboards.  >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark               <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would >>>> definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. >>>> >>>> Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < <st...@wavedirect.org> >>>> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the >>>> backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create >>>> deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all >>>> platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how >>>> well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very >>>> large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non >>>> stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other >>>> depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the >>>> hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better >>>> hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would >>>> increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for >>>> either server. >>>> >>>> The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on >>>> CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave.  >>>> >>>> HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR >>>> would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other >>>> processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have >>>> had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, >>>> it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a >>>> backup is taking a while.  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it >>>> as a router.  >>>> >>>> Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when >>>> running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't >>>> recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching >>>> nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and >>>> virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  >>>> >>>> I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some >>>> servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots >>>> and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the >>>> Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. >>>> >>>> Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than >>>> 10Gbps.  >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steven Kenney >>>> Network Operations Manager >>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> *To: *"af" < <af@af.afmug.com>af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot >>>> and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a >>>> temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney < <st...@wavedirect.org> >>>> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have >>>> support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual >>>> vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or >>>> performance hits during the process?  >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steven Kenney >>>> Network Operations Manager >>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" < <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *"af" < <af@af.afmug.com>af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR >>>> on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman < >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be >>>> on top of it. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >>>> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps >>>> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn >>>> near the same cost as a CCR1072. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < <ja...@litewire.net> >>>> ja...@litewire.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that with the last one >>>> and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really >>>> end up saving any money over buying one already put together.  >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto: <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM >>>> *To: * <af@af.afmug.com>af@af.afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from >>>> somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. >>>> >>>> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: >>>> >>>> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave >>>> in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they >>>> were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to >>>> list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [ <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it >>>> actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to >>>> build your own. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF < <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>> Behalf Of *James Howard >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network >>>> appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another >>>> backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes >>>> available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [ <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess < <dmburg...@linktechs.net>dmburg...@linktechs.net >>>> > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dennis Burgess >>>> >>>> Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless >>>> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security >>>> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer 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