That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were
using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd
bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking
about here.
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies
<m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Josh,
Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box
now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the
backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you
have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as
backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the
mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards. Â
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Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote:
Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would
definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things.
Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes.
Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney
<st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to
do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file
system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is
similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The
performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For
example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host
as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop
writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other
depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities ..
overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a
new host with better hardware, faster network, Â the backups times
and performance would increase on both. To the point where
possibly there is no disruption for either server.
The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on
CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. Â
HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The
CHR would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without
any other processes still taking place to it (the entire backup
process would have had to have crashed). For me HA only works if
a server is down on 1 host, it'll bring it up on another host. It
won't bring up copies of VM's if a backup is taking a while. Â If
any backup takes that long I'd never use it as a router. Â
Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when
running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I
wouldn't recommend that either for a router. It could possibly
be a switching nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere
setup with vswitches and virtual networking. I'm just running
standard Vsphere. Â
I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to
some servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO
so snapshots and commits will be quick. The question was if any
customers use the Maxxwave and how it performs with
backups/snapshots.
Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger
than 10Gbps. Â
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*From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a
snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can
set aside a temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney
<st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they
have support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an
actual vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for
it? Any lag or performance hits during the process? Â
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*From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are
using CHR on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works
remarkably well.
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to
always be on top of it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been
nothing but totally reliable since we got one in January. Only
pushing about 1.5gbps through it though, but BGP converge times
are insanely fast and it was darn near the same cost as a CCR1072.
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net
<mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that with the
last one and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and
didn’t really end up saving any money over buying one already
put together. Â
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM
*To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC
from somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options.
On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote:
Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the
Maxxwave in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would
just get more if they were available. I was hoping Dennis would
reply. They don’t seem to list the PowerRouter that they used
to sell on their site anymore.
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock,
is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you
don’t want to build your own.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *James Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network
appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get
another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik
boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our
current boxes.
*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
Burgess via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net
<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7....
Dennis Burgess
Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless
Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer,
Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer
Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level
Cambium: ePMP
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Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004
https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044
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