That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here.
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > Josh, > > Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is > the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features > of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting > on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the > configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my > routerboards. > > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com <m...@mailmt.com> > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > ------ > > Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: > > > Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely > be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. > > Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: > > Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the > backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create > deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, > Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the > hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on > the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop > writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on > the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware > capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, > faster network, the backups times and performance would increase on both. > To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. > > The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's > without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. > > HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR > would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other > processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have > had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, > it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a > backup is taking a while. If any backup takes that long I'd never use it > as a router. > > Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running > routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend > that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare > unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual > networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere. > > I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some > servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots > and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the > Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. > > Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than > 10Gbps. > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and > copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary > disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: > > I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have > support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual > vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or > performance hits during the process? > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR on > the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on > top of it. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but > totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps > through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn > near the same cost as a CCR1072. > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote: > > Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and had > some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up > saving any money over buying one already put together. > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM > *To: *af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from > somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. > > On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: > > Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in > again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they > were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list > the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it > actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to > build your own. > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance > I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or > two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a > must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Cc:* Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7.... > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security > Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > ------------------------------ > *Total Control Panel* > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain *afmug.com* is on your > allow list.* > ------------------------------ > *Total Control Panel* > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain *afmug.com* is on your > allow list.* > > ------------------------------ > *Total Control Panel* > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain *afmug.com* is on your > allow list.* > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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