Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's.
Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke <[email protected]> wrote: > So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure > out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of > dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand > why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM > Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. > > On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were > using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother > with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Josh, >> >> Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What >> is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export >> features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR >> router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload >> the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now >> with my routerboards.  >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark               <[email protected]> >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> >> >> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >> www.Myakka.com >> >> ------ >> >> Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would >> definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. >> >> Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the >> backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create >> deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all >> platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how >> well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very >> large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non >> stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other >> depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the >> hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better >> hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would >> increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for >> either server. >> >> The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's >> without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave.  >> >> HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR >> would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other >> processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have >> had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, >> it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a >> backup is taking a while.  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it >> as a router.  >> >> Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when >> running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't >> recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching >> nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and >> virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  >> >> I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some >> servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots >> and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the >> Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. >> >> Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than >> 10Gbps.  >> >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> >> *To: *"af" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot >> and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a >> temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have >> support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual >> vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or >> performance hits during the process?  >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> >> *To: *"af" < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR >> on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman < >> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on >> top of it. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps >> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn >> near the same cost as a CCR1072. >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that with the last one >> and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really >> end up saving any money over buying one already put together.  >> >> *From:* AF [mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]] *On >> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM >> *To: * <[email protected]>[email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from >> somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. >> >> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: >> >> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave >> in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they >> were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to >> list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. >> >> *From:* AF [ <[email protected]>mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]> >> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it >> actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to >> build your own. >> >> *From:* AF < <[email protected]>[email protected]> *On >> Behalf Of *James Howard >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network >> appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another >> backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes >> available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. >> >> *From:* AF [ <[email protected]>mailto:[email protected] >> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < <[email protected]>[email protected] >> > >> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess < <[email protected]>[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7.... >> >> >> >> Dennis Burgess >> >> Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless >> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security >> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer >> Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level >> Cambium: ePMP >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 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