If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10
feet to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer
interactions on March 16th.
Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets
infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside.
Internet is not worth someone dying over!
-Sean
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday.
apparently customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess
would be he was symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a
test the next day. I fin out he was already on quarantine
wednesday, im going to probably lose my stuff. He answered
negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal about this
since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had no
contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes
constantly. But we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day
quarantine. We are closed tomorrow for a video-conference to
regroup. Tuesday we will probably be sanitizing everything.
there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing
down arrival to exit to help him remember if there is any chance
of contamination.
We have to try to get the health department to give us clear
guidance on company operations over the next 2 weeks.
If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end up
in jail. We have too much going on to be a man down, much less a
whole company down. If he got my installer sick, and lied on the
questionnaire, kunkgflu will not be his primary concern anymore
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday
magazine on the case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant
and the first coronavirus case in New Jersey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast
mainstream media fake news … get over it, this article is
not political. I am however reading the print version and
while I Googled for a link to the online version it might
be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a
limited number of articles free, I don’t know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got
some treatments other than what the hospital wanted to
use, but only through extensive intervention from doctor
friends and people who read about him online. He did
recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have
worked. But you or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them.
You realize how difficult it is to get something like
remdesivir given the approvals needed. And the push to
intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on
hospital staff, even if it’s maybe not the best
treatment. And how doctors and hospitals were slow to
realize this disease was different.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to
avoid the liability. It's only approved off label use,
hence, zero liability
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:
There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the
liability, it's baked into the system now. It's how
the friends got the treatment approved for their
daughters.
On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
The FDA cant take the liability of "approving"
anything without full trials. I dont blame them.
We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.
Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the
malaria drug works without saying it works or
setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
I can't believe I am still hearing about
"trials" on the pre-existing
ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about
2/3's of test patients
recovering after 2-3 days after
administration. Seems like that would be
a good enough "trial" to start massively
treating patients instead of
20% survival.. What the heck is the real
story? I know someone
personally who fought the FDC to get a
treatment that extended their
daughters lives for 5 years and it was a
nightmare. The conspiracy
part of me wants to scream...
On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the
obsession with having enough ventilators,
describing them as "life saving equipment",
leaving the impression that most can be saved
if you can just put them on a ventilator. Yet
stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come
off the ventilator. And you have to wonder if
the 20% who do, did the vent actually save
them, or they would have survived even with
less aggressive treatment.
>
> The news coverage leaves you thinking most
of the ICU patients will be saved if there's
enough ventilators. When in reality doctors
and nurses are risking their own lives to
treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
patients most of whom will die because they
don't have an effective treatment. Not a
pretty story, probably why nobody wants to
talk about it.
>
> There are trials of various treatments going
on, it would be great if some of them turned
out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a
vaccine, but a therapy so less people die.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
> Saw this in our local paper this morning.
It's interesting to me because it's bringing
to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently
not what people are dying from, it's the
secondary ARDS-like (Accute Respiratory
Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also
some debate within the medical community
whether ventilators are helping or hurting.
Maybe what they need to do is just supply oxygen.
>
> If this link doesn't work for you, I can
email the article.
>
>
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>
>
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