we are waiting for the health department to make that determination. If I
were in charge of the health dept decision, wed be continuing on, its kind
of the purpose of no contact installs. According to health dept/cdc, we
should assume everyone is infected, so by that logic, this is a non issue,
assuming tech is clear that there was no close quarters contact or cross
contact. Had he gone inside (aside from being fired) there would be no
question on quarantine.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 4:16 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> If Steve’s tech really never went inside and came no closer than 10 feet
> to anyone, do you think the tech should still quarantine for 14 days?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> This is exactly why our company stopped all in person customer
> interactions on March 16th.
>
>
>
> Customers lie or don’t know they even have it, then your tech gets
> infected along with their whole family, then the rest of your crew.
>
>
>
> NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING INTO ANYONE ELSES HOUSE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.
>
>
>
> We are only doing service calls if we can fix it from the outside.
> Internet is not worth someone dying over!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:17 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Im so pissed right now. Tech had a No Line Of Site wednesday. apparently
> customer got tested on, positive result today. My guess would be he was
> symptomatic wednesday if it was bad enough for a test the next day. I fin
> out he was already on quarantine wednesday, im going to probably lose my
> stuff. He answered negative to the questionnaire. The tech has been anal
> about this since day one. We went no touch last monday officially. he had
> no contact closer than 10 feet. Never went inside. sanitizes constantly.
> But we have no choice but to go down a tech for 14 day quarantine. We are
> closed tomorrow for a video-conference to regroup. Tuesday we will probably
> be sanitizing everything.
>
> there is little to no chance the tech caught it. he is writing down
> arrival to exit to help him remember if there is any chance of
> contamination.
>
> We have to try to get the health department to give us clear guidance on
> company operations over the next 2 weeks.
>
> If this guy lied on the questionnaire ...... Ill probably end up in jail.
> We have too much going on to be a man down, much less a whole company down.
> If he got my installer sick, and lied on the questionnaire, kunkgflu will
> not be his primary concern anymore
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:18 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You can get around the paywall using the Brave browser.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2020 11:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Interesting long article in today’s New York Times Sunday magazine on the
> case of James Cai, a physician’s assistant and the first coronavirus case
> in New Jersey.
>
>
>
> Yeah, yeah, yeah, NYT, biased liberal elite east coast mainstream media
> fake news … get over it, this article is not political. I am however
> reading the print version and while I Googled for a link to the online
> version it might be behind a paywall, or maybe they will let you read a
> limited number of articles free, I don’t know.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/magazine/first-coronavirus-patient-new-jersey.html
>
>
>
> The story leaves you both hopeful and pessimistic. He got some treatments
> other than what the hospital wanted to use, but only through extensive
> intervention from doctor friends and people who read about him online. He
> did recover. Some of the nonstandard treatments may have worked. But you
> or I probably wouldn’t have gotten them. You realize how difficult it is
> to get something like remdesivir given the approvals needed. And the push
> to intubate rather than have you breathe the virus on hospital staff, even
> if it’s maybe not the best treatment. And how doctors and hospitals were
> slow to realize this disease was different.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
>
> Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the liability.
> It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's
> baked into the system now. It's how the friends got the treatment approved
> for their daughters.
>
> On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full
> trials. I dont blame them.
>
>
>
> We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.
>
>
>
> Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without
> saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
> ebola treatment. Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be
> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
> 20% survival.. What the heck is the real story? I know someone
> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare. The conspiracy
> part of me wants to scream...
>
> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough
> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the
> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a
> ventilator. Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the
> ventilator. And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent
> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive
> treatment.
> >
> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be
> saved if there's enough ventilators. When in reality doctors and nurses
> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective
> treatment. Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
> >
> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if
> some of them turned out to work. Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but
> a therapy so less people die.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> > To: AFMUG <af@af.afmug.com>
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
> >
> >
> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because
> it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people
> are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like (Accute Respiratory Distress
> Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community
> whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is
> just supply oxygen.
> >
> > If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
> >
> >
> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
> >
> >
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