They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them
helicopters. You could make it thing powered by ducted jets
and it'll just look cooler and burn way more fuel. The
bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's that the
driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.
On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower
monkey, no cutting in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car?
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it
did the installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium
hq, lands on the spot, nanotech installs
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite,
especially for trees near the site. Stupid trees
grow, or blow in the wind.
I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever
those really tall skinny trees are, not the
evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that
grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took
2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything was fine
when the wind was from the north, but with a strong
wind from the south, the link would completely drop.
She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending in the
wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story
roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the
tone alignment port of the Cambium SM. You could
watch the trees sway back and forth and listen to the
tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew
hard enough.
*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
that would be a discussion to have with them.
LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch
with it in 30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on
pulling the trigger
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof
<af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
900 is magic not science. I never felt there was
a logical explanation to where it worked and
where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is
basically looking for LOS, and if you asked it to
evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would
have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of
Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only
5GHz and 3.5 GHz was supported. 900 was on the
road map.
Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work
for the next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get
something arranged. You never know if you don't
ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers,
lots of hills, I can see the price being too
high. But the other part where they help identify
best locations to cover from may be worth it.
Less towers and more coverage is always good.
Planting people seeds would be good too. But
they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM
SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net
<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would love to give it a go. But the
pricing model of per site
>>> does not work for us. We have to have
many small sites because of
>>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I
can see if you had a few
>>> mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
<af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> much much more than free
>>>
>>> but much much less input and much much
much more output
>>>
>>> I had the same question, and skepticism,
until i saw the data and
>>> applied it to our real world.
>>>
>>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs
zero. A no line of site
>>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its
face. but the truck rolled
>>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a
net loss. that in itself
>>> probably scales to the price over the
course of the customer we
>>> missed.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What does it cost? More than Radio
Mobile...?
>>>
>>> *From:*Steve Jones
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM
>>>
>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>> I dont know if many of you
degenerates over here still do this
>>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing
CNHeat, this is a literal
>>> game changer, we took a no line of
site this morning to
>>> install. we would have walked away,
btu happened to have the
>>> CNHeat for the location. found the
spot, great signal (we
>>> actually missed it because walking
the roof and the scan time
>>> didnt grab it)
>>>
>>> there was a marginal spot we
considered, this would have been
>>> bad long term.
>>>
>>> we went through migrating a few
hundred customers off 320 to
>>> EPMp the last few months, this would
have been a godsend, half
>>> of them will need to be revisited in
spring when leaves come
>>> out, but we were pressing to clear
320 to make room for 450
>>> cbrs stuff
>>>
>>> your installer can walk out the door
each morning with a
>>> picture and have a best location
target, install survey times
>>> will be minimized and youll know
youre well beyond first good
>>> spot, and on the probably best spot.
>>>
>>> I dont come across a product im this
excited about too often.
>>> If I had the time id go look at the
last years NLOS and see
>>> where we missed revenue options. And
this is just IDENTIFY the
>>> other two components are crazy
perfect too
>>>
>>> like anything, youll need to know how
to look at the data, and
>>> its only as good as the data you put
in, I think we are all
>>> familiar with that here.
>>>
>>> This is nowhere near free, but i
think abut how much less I
>>> can do on my Access points because of
marginal installs, and
>>> how much we have lost in NLOS that
didnt need to be
>>>
>>>
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