you would have to talk to them. but it was much less than we expected On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 1:53 PM Jason Wilson <ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
> What is the pricing? > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:53 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> potato potatoe >> >> We are pulling the trigger on it. Im just thinking how much more bits I >> can get out of our network now. Our smartaligner just arrived, so we will >> be able to put in super accurate info. Problem customers, we have a tool >> now to identify better mounting locations, new installs I know will be in >> the best location instead of the easiest (yeah, no, I know installers) but >> at least the probabilities are much more better >> >> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> Yep, you’re arguing about semantics. The difference between “free” and >>> “a tool that pays for itself” is hard to see. Some people would use the >>> term “no-brainer”. >>> >>> >>> >>> Whether it in fact pays for itself is a more substantive question. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 27, 2020 10:58 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> It's a figure of speech. >>> >>> On 3/27/2020 11:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> >>> It's not free, it's more of an investment. Or a tool that pays for >>> itself. >>> >>> >>> There's no such thing as free, Bernie. >>> >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Suite 1337 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:08 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of >>> customers who you passed over because of a failed installation. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one >>> recurring flight plan for the whole year. >>> >>> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters. >>> You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler >>> and burn way more fuel. The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, >>> it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting >>> in line. Oh, and where’s my flying car? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the >>> installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, >>> nanotech installs >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees >>> near the site. Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind. >>> >>> >>> >>> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall >>> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that >>> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year. The trees had grown to be taller >>> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw. Everything >>> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the >>> south, the link would completely drop. She wouldn’t believe me the trees >>> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story >>> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of >>> the Cambium SM. You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen >>> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> that would be a discussion to have with them. >>> >>> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds >>> is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> 900 is magic not science. I never felt there was a logical explanation >>> to where it worked and where it didn't. I also believe cnHeat is basically >>> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR >>> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was >>> supported. 900 was on the road map. >>> >>> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: >>> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5 >>> > >>> > Jeff Broadwick >>> > CTIconnect >>> > 312-205-2519 Office >>> > 574-220-7826 Cell >>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com >>> > >>> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> What frequencies does it support? >>> >> >>> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> >>> How do they charge for it? Can you do work for the next guy over? >>> >>> *From:* Steve Jones >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM >>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never >>> know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of >>> hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they >>> help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and >>> more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But >>> they're hard to keep watered. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site >>> >>> does not work for us. We have to have many small sites because >>> of >>> >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently. I can see if you had a few >>> >>> mega sites it could make sense. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *Steve Jones >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM >>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> much much more than free >>> >>> >>> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output >>> >>> >>> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until i saw the data and >>> >>> applied it to our real world. >>> >>> >>> >>> The way I look at it, radio mobile costs zero. A no line of site >>> >>> generates zero, so thats a wash on its face. but the truck rolled >>> >>> and other jobs werent done, so theres a net loss. that in itself >>> >>> probably scales to the price over the course of the customer we >>> >>> missed. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:10 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> What does it cost? More than Radio Mobile...? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Steve Jones >>> >>> >>> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:04 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>> >>> >>> *Subject:*[AFMUG] CNHeat >>> >>> >>> >>> I dont know if many of you degenerates over here still do >>> this >>> >>> pasky WISP stuff, but I am demoing CNHeat, this is a literal >>> >>> game changer, we took a no line of site this morning to >>> >>> install. we would have walked away, btu happened to have the >>> >>> CNHeat for the location. found the spot, great signal (we >>> >>> actually missed it because walking the roof and the scan time >>> >>> didnt grab it) >>> >>> >>> >>> there was a marginal spot we considered, this would have >>> been >>> >>> bad long term. >>> >>> >>> >>> we went through migrating a few hundred customers off 320 to >>> >>> EPMp the last few months, this would have been a godsend, >>> half >>> >>> of them will need to be revisited in spring when leaves come >>> >>> out, but we were pressing to clear 320 to make room for 450 >>> >>> cbrs stuff >>> >>> >>> >>> your installer can walk out the door each morning with a >>> >>> picture and have a best location target, install survey times >>> >>> will be minimized and youll know youre well beyond first good >>> >>> spot, and on the probably best spot. >>> >>> >>> >>> I dont come across a product im this excited about too often. >>> >>> If I had the time id go look at the last years NLOS and see >>> >>> where we missed revenue options. And this is just IDENTIFY >>> the >>> >>> other two components are crazy perfect too >>> >>> >>> >>> like anything, youll need to know how to look at the data, >>> and >>> >>> its only as good as the data you put in, I think we are all >>> >>> familiar with that here. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is nowhere near free, but i think abut how much less I >>> >>> can do on my Access points because of marginal installs, and >>> >>> how much we have lost in NLOS that didnt need to be >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> -- >>> >>> AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >>> >> *Jay Weekley* >>> >> *Cyber Broadband >>> >> * >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> >> https://www.avg.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> AF mailing list >>> >> AF@af.afmug.com >>> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> *Jay Weekley* >>> *Cyber Broadband >>> * >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > > Jason Wilson > Remotely Located > Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. > 530-651-1736 > 530-748-9608 Cell > www.remotelylocated.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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