Don't conflate the capabilities of DSL with poor execution by the major telcos.
If the major telcos had done a reasonable organic build, every town and subdivision (not rural areas outside of towns and subdivisions) would have at least bonded VDSL, giving every customer in those areas at least a symmetrical 100 meg. They should be well on their way to something faster such as G.fast. Copper pairs are still useful in the hands of competent operators. Fiber likely won't fiscally cut it in many rural situations... ever. It should be deployed in many more areas than it is, though. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 11:50:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Unpopular Opinion time: DSL is the new dialup. Wireless is the new DSL. Nobody wants any of those if they can get something better. You can push the end farther down into the future with micro POP's, MU-MIMO, big channel sizes, etc; but we're at the top of the hump in the business cycle and the tail is looming before us. Use the cash generated by your wireless business to start something new, and/or plan how you'll maximize revenue on the long tail. If fiber ain't your thing that's ok, but figure out some kind of plan. ...or I'm wrong. Time will tell. On 9/6/2019 12:35 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > That being said -- most of the e-mails I get involved circuits I'm on, > but thanks to rings we don't go down. > > On 9/6/19 12:33 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Imagine if you sent every customer e-mails about every outage every >> time on your network. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> >> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> *To: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>, "AnimalFarm Microwave >> Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Friday, September 6, 2019 11:31:24 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fiber >> >> That's what everyone keeps saying.... but my fiber provider sends me >> e-mails every other week about pole fires taking out fiber, trees taking >> out fiber, wind taking out fiber, etc. >> >> On 9/6/19 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> > When it's broken it can be expensive, but frankly it doesn't break >> that >> > often. >> > -Adam >> > >> > On 9/6/2019 12:29 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >> Except the contractor gets paid every time the fiber gets broken. >> >> >> >> On 9/6/19 12:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> If you've only got 2 or 3 people *total* then you'd be relying on >> >>> contractors a lot and basically just being an owner/GC. Your capex >> >>> will be higher than with in-house labor, but console yourself with >> >>> the idea that the contractor only gets paid once, and you get paid >> >>> for 50 years. >> >>> >> >>> -Adam >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 9/6/2019 8:30 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >>>> People ask why I don’t do fiber. The following story pretty much >> >>>> sums it up. For those doing fiber, how do you do it with a 2 or 3 >> >>>> man team? We’d be run ragged. How do you stay sain? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Someone was logging up in Ogdensburg near Joe Hill and took a tree >> >>>> down which took another tree down which took another tree down >> which >> >>>> snapped off the side arms of the utility pole taking out the >> >>>> powerlines which burned the fiber underneath it. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Last night about 11 o’clock I drove up there on my way home and >> >>>> found the Crown Castle guys trying to figure out where the fiber >> >>>> damage was, I talk to them for a moment and they were like yeah >> it’s >> >>>> like 2500 feet away from here but we can’t figure out where the >> >>>> fiber goes, I said follow me, so they got over there and >> started work. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Zito was already over there fixing their fiber with about 10 guys >> >>>> and five trucks. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I just spun back up there and as of this morning they (both >> >>>> companies) are still trying to figure out why the fiber is not >> working. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Add to this the utility easement is on the side of a mountain and >> >>>> not right beside the road. These guys had entire teams and haven’t >> >>>> fixed 1,500ft of fiber in 12 hours plus had to wait nearly 7hrs to >> >>>> even access the local due to power lines down. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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