On Sun, Jan 05, 2025 at 10:46:16PM -0800, Ron Minnich wrote: > Do people have a preferred place to start from? > > I'm inclined to something like this: > g...@github.com:rminnich/nix-os.git > > grab that, cd nix/sys/src/nix/k10 > mk > > and see how it goes. We need a shared place to record our experiences > -- suggestions? > > I think our goal this week should be that we figure out who's working > on this; goal for end of next week is that everyone working on it at > least try to get that repo and do the mk and see if fail ;-) > > Ori recently fixed 9front git so it can pull from github -- it was a > github bug ...
I'm OK with this scheme. I have decided to reserve some hours on Saturdays and/or Sundays, to try/work with this. > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 7:57?PM Christopher Nielsen <cniel...@pobox.com> wrote: > > > > I'm interested. > > > > Not 100% sure how much work I'll be able to do, but like you said, pace > > yourself and be consistent. :-) > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2025, 08:39 Ron Minnich <rminn...@p9f.org> wrote: > >> > >> No need for money yet! > >> > >> Let's get this party started. I have queries in to ampere as to how we > >> can set up a simulator. However, if someone wants to take a first > >> step, take that 2011 code, bring it to your plan 9 system, and see if > >> it builds. > >> > >> Again, the key here is a sustained effort. You don't have to do a lot > >> each week, but you don't want to start and then drop it. So it needs > >> to NOT become all consuming. It's all about pacing yourself. Anybody > >> who's ever spent a few weeks digging ditches can tell you -- set up a > >> work effort you can sustain. Same thing here. > >> > >> So, how about we figure out who here is interested, then start off: > >> get the code, see if it builds. Who's in? Don't feel out of your > >> depth: if you can type mk, you're ready to start. Don't assume it's a > >> slog through code: take time to alternate looking at code, and reading > >> docs. Do learn how to use something like qemu -- it's a real > >> timesaver, since you can debug the kernel interactively. > >> > >> Don't kill yourself if you hit a wall about some code -- bring it > >> here, and ask questions. That's why we're here. > >> > >> So, Step 1: anyone? anyone? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Ron > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 7:22?AM Daniel Maslowski via 9fans > >> <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > >> > > >> > There have been other ideas in similar directions over the years. > >> > E.g. > >> > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342759611_SCE-Comm_A_Real-Time_Inter-Core_Communication_Framework_for_Strictly_Partitioned_Multi-core_Processors > >> > about the concepts of ACs and CCs (communication cores). > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, 01:49 Charles Forsyth, <charles.fors...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> i think brazil experimented with networking outside the kernel but it > >> >> was pushed back in > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 at 00:24, Thaddeus Woskowiak <tswoskow...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 1:03?PM Bakul Shah via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Jan 4, 2025, at 9:35?AM, Stuart Morrow <morrow.stu...@gmail.com> > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> This has been a very interesting discussion, thanks all. My offer > >> >>> > >> remains: if anyone wants to revive NIX, I am happy to help. > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > Am I the only one who sees that the Fastcall stuff would be good > >> >>> > > for > >> >>> > > bringing some devices out of the kernel (that are devs only for > >> >>> > > performance reasons)? > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > And then, closer to what Fastcall was actually for (fossil and > >> >>> > > venti>disk), you also have ??fs>nusb/disk>disk, which could always > >> >>> > > do > >> >>> > > with a speedup. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > I've been meaning to ask... What is the typical *overhead* of a 9p > >> >>> > call to a user level driver compared to a kernel based driver? > >> >>> > >> >>> From what I know the only performance issue for 'user-space <-> > >> >>> kernel-space' 9P are context switches. IP is in-kernel to eliminate > >> >>> context switches for ether(3) <-> ip(3). > >> > > >> > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options > >> > Permalink > > > > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink -- Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ kergis +dot+ com> http://www.kergis.com/ http://kertex.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T7692a612f26c8ec5-M6737d80edd9e8e5f16ca3032 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
