Be confused no more: https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/
I found that link after a single search for 'v programming language controversy' using duck duck go. It was linked from a hacker news post. There are other resources. The controversy has made the rounds on numerous tech news sites and forums so it's well known to many. If it delivers it sounds interesting. Zig is bootstrapped using c++ so there's no way to natively bootstrap Zig on 9. Though there was someone on the 9fans discord (that channel is not affiliated with this mailing list) was working on a native bootstrap for 9. Though I'm not sure what happened to that project. There's also Nim. Kinda like a Python that compiles to C or other languages like JavaScript. Might be the easy to port. Rust is eh. It looks like line noise and just as ugly as c++. Haven't really used it but played with it years ago. Wasn't interested in it and still not interested in it now. Seems very hype driven like the 90's oop craze. Nothing against r9 but what's the point of it when plan 9 already boots and does what I need? I'm not drawn to an OS because of the language it's written in. I'm drawn in by the concepts of the OS. The language should make programming easier in the sense that you can translate the program structure in your head into code on the screen and vice versa. I'm not sure rust accomplishes that from what I've seen. Go is nice. Feels like it should have come out of bell Labs in the 90's. Though, I'm not crazy about languages as ecosystems. It makes them big to the point where building Go is a benchmark for CPU and disk IO on plan 9. That's too big for my liking. It's also hard to keep the plan 9 port going and some feel that it should go away :-(. Go feels like it could be a lot smaller. Seems like Erlang could be ported. Interesting language with a neat concurrency concept. Distributed language on a distributed OS. Use 9p to distribute data and Erlang to distribute compute performed on said data. Distributed all the way down. Another thing to mention is to look at the qbe compiler backend: https://c9x.me/compile/ I've heard it suggested that this along with cproc could be an interesting light weight alternative toolchain for plan 9. It is also the back end to the Hare language, and Ori's Myrddin. Why should GCC and clang/llvm be the only games in town? On Thu, Oct 3, 2024, 4:25 PM <d...@squizzler.co.uk> wrote: > I am confused by the divisive views on V. On one hand people who seem to > know their onions speak well of it. @Willow provides helpful reasons why > the project might have started inauspiciously, whereas by contrast @Noam I > feel you cast vague aspersions without evidence. Perhaps for a fledgeling > language all publicity is good publicity? Certainly I would expect a > "controversies" section on the wikipedia page if it was that toxic as some > seem to think. > > As for "vibes", I think @Kurmakes an interesting point on the importance > of emotional factors. There seems to be an appetite for a new language > within Plan 9 as evidenced by the wiki page linked in OP. HarveyOS jumped > first (with Rust), but whilst rewriting everything in rust is trendy (has > the right vibes), r9 hardly set the world on fire. The adoption of Rust in > projects such as Linux may well be driven by emotion, and in a bloated > codebase like Linux it seems to have been a failure. Could the experience > of r9 - despite the vastly more manageable code base of Plan 9 - suggest it > is not the language for Plan9's future? > > Looking beyond Rust, could languages like Zig (good call, @Willow) and > maybe V be better candidates? > *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9d57d40811a8ec5d-M37da1c1bd57e914926be4eb1> > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9d57d40811a8ec5d-M1eacfec8ecb8ea3e715ede98 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
