On 24Aug04:1319+0200, sirjofri wrote: > > I remember that I invested a full year reading documentation etc (everything > I could find), without really touching the system. It can take a long time to > understand enough to +install and maintain a full plan 9 system. Unlike linux, you probably need more than one attempt to get a "successful" installation (one that just works stable enough to actually +work with it). Just take your time and learn from as many resources as possible. > > Also, classical tutorials don't work for plan 9. They barely work for linux > (everyone has a different HDD, for example) and Plan 9 as a network system is > more complex, usually (do +you have two cpus, one, or fifty? How many terminals, how many networks, ...). > > With some guided help you can get a basic system installed on a single node, > we have guides for that. Adventuresin9 did some installation videos, I think > henesy, too. Fqa leads you +through the installation process of a 9front system, and it honestly isn't too hard if you have supported hardware and don't need extra cases (and yes, a proper venti installation +with mirroring is a special case). > > Then, installation is only one step. You have to familiarize yourself with > how plan 9 works and what plan 9 is. Everyday use is completely different > than unix systems. Many things +have a plan 9-ey solution that you might not think of, often using some filesystem. > > I am not the only one with Plan 9 issues. Here is another person with > > similar problems: https://driusan.github.io/plan9.html. > > Plan 9 requires more setup than a linux, because Plan 9 is a network system. > You don't just create a new user on your laptop, you have to create it on the > fileserver (and the auth +server if you want a full plan 9 installation). The fqa of 9front explains this (and how to do it) very well, newcomers should probably include that in the reading. > > Note that the fqa is also a humorous piece of documentation. This is a > warning. > > > There just isn't a consistent community experience here. Why can't > > newcomers just go to the Plan 9 website, > > https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/, and get everything they need? +What is up with the community site and 9fans? > > The original plan 9 website is down for ages. It is superseded by the website > of p9f. The original Plan 9 (1-4th edition) is more or less an archived > version without any active +development happening. Good luck there. > > The other flavors of plan 9 have their official websites, for example 9front > has 9front.org. 9legacy also has its own page. It seems that 9front is still > not considered a Plan 9 +system in 2024, judging from the p9f website mentioning 9legacy and nothing else (also 9atom is missing, but that's quite dead as far as I know). > > With that in mind, you can choose between the original plan 9 editions that > are only historically relevant, 9legacy, which extends the 4th edition with > patches, fixes, more hardware +support, and 9front, which is a modern version of plan 9, developed independently, and some things are very different. There are a few other versions developed for more special +purposes.
FWIW, I put together "The Virtual Plan 9 Cookbook" (http://dlcusa.net/vp9cb-9pio) years ago to address this newbie need. But there was no way to point it out at the "official" website. You've probably never heard of it. It might have helped. On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 11:20 AM sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9f...@sirjofri.de> wrote: > > 04.08.2024 12:01:20 kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us: > > I didn't get it wrong, I was asked to send money if I wanted help, which I > > found unusual. > > I must have missed that then, even though I carefully read all the threads. > It would also surprise me a lot if it was about real actually helpful help! > > > I am using the Plan 9 wiki (https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/) for > > information. I've read the manual and docs there, but the documentation is > > lacking. I'm not sure how often the docs, manuals, and ISO file are updated. > > That's the plan 9 wiki as shipped with the system with many more pages. > > I remember that I invested a full year reading documentation etc (everything > I could find), without really touching the system. It can take a long time to > understand enough to install and maintain a full plan 9 system. Unlike linux, > you probably need more than one attempt to get a "successful" installation > (one that just works stable enough to actually work with it). Just take your > time and learn from as many resources as possible. > > Also, classical tutorials don't work for plan 9. They barely work for linux > (everyone has a different HDD, for example) and Plan 9 as a network system is > more complex, usually (do you have two cpus, one, or fifty? How many > terminals, how many networks, ...). > > With some guided help you can get a basic system installed on a single node, > we have guides for that. Adventuresin9 did some installation videos, I think > henesy, too. Fqa leads you through the installation process of a 9front > system, and it honestly isn't too hard if you have supported hardware and > don't need extra cases (and yes, a proper venti installation with mirroring > is a special case). > > Then, installation is only one step. You have to familiarize yourself with > how plan 9 works and what plan 9 is. Everyday use is completely different > than unix systems. Many things have a plan 9-ey solution that you might not > think of, often using some filesystem. > > > I am not the only one with Plan 9 issues. Here is another person with > > similar problems: https://driusan.github.io/plan9.html. > > Plan 9 requires more setup than a linux, because Plan 9 is a network system. > You don't just create a new user on your laptop, you have to create it on the > fileserver (and the auth server if you want a full plan 9 installation). The > fqa of 9front explains this (and how to do it) very well, newcomers should > probably include that in the reading. > > Note that the fqa is also a humorous piece of documentation. This is a > warning. > > > There just isn't a consistent community experience here. Why can't > > newcomers just go to the Plan 9 website, > > https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/, and get everything they need? What > > is up with the community site and 9fans? > > The original plan 9 website is down for ages. It is superseded by the website > of p9f. The original Plan 9 (1-4th edition) is more or less an archived > version without any active development happening. Good luck there. > > The other flavors of plan 9 have their official websites, for example 9front > has 9front.org. 9legacy also has its own page. It seems that 9front is still > not considered a Plan 9 system in 2024, judging from the p9f website > mentioning 9legacy and nothing else (also 9atom is missing, but that's quite > dead as far as I know). > > With that in mind, you can choose between the original plan 9 editions that > are only historically relevant, 9legacy, which extends the 4th edition with > patches, fixes, more hardware support, and 9front, which is a modern version > of plan 9, developed independently, and some things are very different. There > are a few other versions developed for more special purposes. > > Again, another long mail. I probably have too much time right now... > > sirjofri ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9804faa2e50a80d8-M7c87d89e15ea92b1ca55d839 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
