On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Paul B. Henson <hen...@acm.org> wrote: > ZFS is great. It's pretty much the only reason we're running Solaris.
Well, if this is the the only reason, then run FreeBSD instead. I run Solaris because of the kernel architecture and other things that Linux or any BSD simply can not do. For example, running something on a port below 1000, but as a true non-root (i.e. no privileges dropping, but straight-forward run by a non-root). > No new version of OpenSolaris (which we were about to start migrating to). > No new update of Solaris 10. *Zero* information about what the hell's going > on... Snorcle is simply killing the community. That's what just happening. They think they will be like an Apple or Microsoft to compete with IBM: if you want Solaris, then buy it. Business plan is pretty clear: screw you, community, we don't need ya. Well, not surprising — they always was dumb towards the community, since they don't really understands its importance. The main problem is that Solaris will be not popular anymore. Just for a record: Solaris popularity grew because of OpenSolaris. If you give it to geeks, they will play with it, build stuff, build tools, conquer infrastructures and then spread proprietary software, like Oracle DB, for example. That would lead to more knowledge base, to more experience and brains availability. But what will happen: geeks will dump OpenSolaris into the trash and will never make it any better. Just for a record: Solaris 9 and 10 from Sun was a plain crap to work with, and still is inconvenient conservative stagnationware. They won't build a free cool tools for Solaris, hence the whole thing will turned to be a dry job for trained monkeys wearing suits in a corporations. Nothing more. That's a philosophy of last decade, but IT now is very changing and is very different. That is why Oracle's idea to kill community is totally stupid. And that's why IBM will win, because you run the same Linux on their hardware as you run at your home. Yes, Oracle will run good for a while, using the inertia of a hype (and latest their financial report proves that), but soon people will realize that Oracle is just another evil mean beast with great marketing and the same sh*tty products as they always had. Buy Solaris for any single little purpose? No way ever! I may buy support and/or security patches, updates. But not the OS itself. If that is the only option, then I'd rather stick to Linux from other vendor, i.e. RedHat. That will lead me to no more talk to Oracle about software at OS level, only applications (if I am an idiot enough to jump into APEX or something like that). Hence, if all I can do is talk only about hardware (well, not really, because no more hardware-only support!!!), then I'd better talk to IBM, if I need a brand and I consider myself too dumb to get SuperMicro instead. IBM System x3550 M3 is still better by characteristics than equivalent from Oracle, it is OEM if somebody needs that at first place and is still cheaper than Oracle's similar class. And IBM stuff just works great (at least if we talk about hardware). I think Oracle is simply screwing themselves here. They don't realize and understand that yet, but they will. That reminds me the same story about G1 garbage collector in Java which Sun wanted you to buy. > ZFS will surely live on as the filesystem under the hood in the doubtlessly > forthcoming Oracle "database appliances", and I'm sure they'll keep selling > their NAS devices. To be honest, if I have to sell my soul to the Oracle, I'd rather will stay with ext4 on Linux. Screw ZFS as well, Oracle can choke down itself with it. Yes, ext is pain in a butt, requires more dance around, but Google lives with it very well (as well as thousands of other companies) and also ext still it gives you a freedom. > But for home users? I doubt it. I was about to build a > big storage box at home running OpenSolaris, I froze that project. Same here. A lot of nice ideas and potential open-source tools basically frozen and I think gonna be dumped. We (geeks) won't build stuff for Larry just for free. We need OS back opened in reward. So I think OpenSolaris is pretty much game over, thanks to the Oracle. Some Oracle fanboys might call it a plain FUD, hope to get updates etc, but the reality is that Oracle to OpenSolaris is pretty much the same what Palm did for BeOS. Enjoy your last svn_134 build. P.S. At least Java won't die that easy, hopefully. -- Kind regards, BM Things, that are stupid at the beginning, rarely ends up wisely. _______________________________________________ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
