I'm going to reply because I think you're being a little short sighted here.
In response to your 'patches welcome' comment. I'd love to submit a patch, but since I've had no programming training and my only real experience is with Visual Basic, I doubt I'm going to be much use. I'm more likely to fundamentally break something than help. > > Saying "if you don't like it, patch it" is an ignorant cop-out, and a > > troll response to people's problems with software. Yup, I'm with Robby here, and I'll explain why below. > bs. I'm entirely *outside* of Sun and just tired of hearing whining and > complaints about features not implemented. So the facts are a bit more > clear in case you think I'm ignorant... Your attitude is showing through. Chill dude. > #1 The source has been available and modified from those outside sun for I > think 3 years?? Great. I'm not a programmer, explain again how this helps me? > #2 I fully agree the threshold to contribute is *significantly* high. (I'm > working on a project to reduce this) Ok, that does sound helpful, thanks. > #3 zfs unlike other things like the build system are extremely well > documented. There are books on it, code to read and even instructors > (Max Bruning) who can teach you about the internals. My project even > rganized a free online training for this.... Again, brilliant if you're a programmer. > This isn't zfs-haters or zfs-..... > > Use it, love it or help out... I'll take all three thanks, and let me explain how I do that: I use this forum as a way to share my experiences with other ZFS users, and with the ZFS developers. In case you hadn't noticed, this is a community, and there are more people here than just Sun developers. If I find something I don't like, yes, I'm vocal. Sometimes I'm wrong and people educate me, other times people agree with me and if the consensus is that it's serious enough I file a bug. What you need to understand is that software isn't created by developers alone. A full team is made up of interface architects, designers, programmers, testers and support staff. No one person has all the skills needed. I don't program, and any attempt I made there would likely be more of a hindrance than a help, so instead I test. I've put in huge amounts of time testing Solaris, far more than I would need to if we were just implementing it internally, and if I find a problem I first discuss it in these forums, and then write a bug report if it's necessary. I've reported 10 bugs to Sun so far, 6 of which have now been fixed. Hell, there's an old post from me that on its own resulted in lively discussion from a dozen or more people, cumulating in 3-4 significant bug reports, and a 15 page PDF writeup I created, summarizing several weeks of testing and discussion for the developers. I've also done my bit by coming on these forums, sharing my experience with others, and helping other people when they come across a problem that I already know how to solve. You coming here and accusing me of not helping is incredibly narrow minded. I may not be a programmer, but I've put in hundreds of hours of work on ZFS, helping to improve the quality of the product and doing my bit to get more people using it. > documentation, patches to help lower the barrier of entry, irc support, > donations, detailed and accurate feedback on needed features and lots of > other things welcomed.. maybe there's a more productive way to get what > you need implemented? > > I think what I'm really getting at is instead of dumping on this list > all the problems that need to be fixed and the long drawn out stories.. > File a bug report.. put the time in to explore the issue on your own.. > I'd bet that if even 5% of the developers using zfs sent a patch of some > nature we would avoid this whole thread. "dumping on the list". You mean sharing problems with the community so other people can be aware of the issues? As I explained above, this is a community, and in case you haven't realised yet, it's not made up entirely of programmers. A lot of us on here are network admins, and to us these posts are valuable. I come here regularly to read posts exactly like this from other people because that way I get to benefit from the experiences of other admins. > Call me a troll if you like.. I'm still going to lose my tact every once > in a while when all I see is whiny/noisy threads for days.. I actually > don't mean to single you out.. there just seems to be a lot of > negativity lately.. These "whiney" threads are very helpful to those of us actually using the software, but don't worry, I also have a tendency to lose my tact when faced with "whiney" programmers. :-p -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _______________________________________________ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
