I agree with Neil. The welcome page is very useful for informing the user what they're actually installing before they are faced with things license agreements or even Install buttons (with possible UAC elevation shield). It's clean, uncluttered & gets the information across to the user without confusing them or dividing their attention with loads of other things demanding their attention. Not to mention, the "Welcome dialog with License Agreement built in" in WiXUI_Minimal is horrible (IMO of course). Personally I don't see anything wrong with WiXUI_InstallDir or WiXUI_Mondo other than the effort required to add/remove dialog pages when necessary (I do however use both of them unmodified in a few packages without issue). I'm found I'm removing more & more Custom UI code over time with every release, especially since upgrading to v3.5 as it has Patch UI support now.
If we really want to get into "minimalist" UI's then please consider supporting them along side the current sets rather than modifying the current sets as per WiXUI_Minimal/WiXUI_Advanced. I expect Neil & myself aren't the only people who are generally happy with the current stock UI sets. Palbinder Sandher Software Deployment & IT Administrator T: +44 (0) 141 945 8500 F: +44 (0) 141 945 8501 http://www.iesve.com **Design, Simulate + Innovate with the <Virtual Environment>** Integrated Environmental Solutions Limited. Registered in Scotland No. SC151456 Registered Office - Helix Building, West Of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow G20 0SP Email Disclaimer -----Original Message----- From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] Sent: 29 November 2010 08:53 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page Lack of welcome page is what I find retrograde. I guess it is personal opinion, I am quite happy with both the welcome and licence dialogs - it is what other installs do so I prefer not to show my users something different. Jumping straight to licence just looks odd as I haven't seen it before and I had to explain the change to testers and tell them it wasn't a bug. (As a side issue I would like to see the licence dialog being optional in the standard WiX release but that is just so I don't have to code it myself - it is also something that is regularly requested on the user list.) Neil Neil Sleightholm X2 Systems Limited n...@x2systems.com <mailto:n...@x2systems.com> ________________________________ From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] Sent: Mon 29/11/2010 00:39 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page What do you find retrograde? The license page or the lack of welcome page? Personally, I find clicking through a bunch of pages just to get the install started "retrograde". Wizard'97 was a long time ago, I think we can move beyond it. The first page clearly needs to say what is being installed. Ideally, the "Install" button should be availble as well. If you have to have a license before the Install button can do it's thing, then so be it. After that, progress is probably required (unless your install is fast enough to not need it). Then, it seems, you still need a final confirmation whether the install succeeded or failed. I still would like to push in the direction that instead of a success page that the application just launch right away (there are problems with that). Everything after the above are options and ideally users never have to deal with them (yes, there are exceptions but try designing your application to not need them). Attached is a picture of the WiX initial install. The title says "Windows Installer XML Toolset 3.5 Setup" and the title says "Please read the Windows Installer XML Toolset 3.5 License Agreement". I suppose we could make the product name flashier or in bigger text. In WiX v3.6 the product name is huge and I'm experimenting with the install experience more. Again, I think clicking "Next" a bunch of times when there is nothing to do isn't an experience we should strive for. On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Neil Sleightholm <n...@x2systems.com>wrote: > I don't believe the WiX 3.5 install says what is being installed on > the licence page in the same way the welcome page does. > > The problem I have is that 90% of the installs I write don't need and > licence page (they are internal apps) - personally I think the licence > should be optional but I guess it is too late to do this for 3.5. I > can't see how to stop this next page function - can it be made optional? > > In my opinion I think this is really confusing and a retrograde step > but would be interested to see what others think. > > Neil > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: 28 November 2010 18:02 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page > > The license page should also tell you what is being installed. If not, > it should. > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Sean Farrow > <sean.far...@seanfarrow.co.uk>wrote: > > > Hi Neil: > > I can verify this behaviour, on a newly installing package. As > > somebody that is visual impaired and relies on alternative output > > mechanisms, (speech synthesis and Braille) this is very unnerving. > > Is there a way to disable this behaviour? > > Cheers > > Sean. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] > > Sent: 28 November 2010 16:03 > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page > > > > I think I see now, if I run an install that is not installed it goes > > straight to the licence. If it is installed the Welcome page is > > shown and you have to click Next to get to other pages. > > > > I have to say this doesn't feel right to me, the Welcome page tells > > you what you are installing and this is lost now. > > > > Neil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > > Sent: 28 November 2010 15:21 > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Install skips welcome page > > > > Bob is the expert in the UI but that behavior sounds correct to me. > > I've been pushing to get rid of as many clicks in the installation > > sequence as possible. No reason to have a user click Next on a > > welcome > > > screen unless there is some useful information on the welcome screen. > > <smile/> > > > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Neil Sleightholm > > <n...@x2systems.com>wrote: > > > > > Has anyone else noticed installs built with WiX 3.5 jump from the > > > welcome page to the licence page without you clicking Next? I have > > > seen this happen a few times but cannot reproduce it, it did it > > > once > > > > with the Wix35.msi > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > Neil Sleightholm > > > X2 Systems Limited > > > n...@x2systems.com <mailto:n...@x2systems.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- > > > -- > > > -------- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App & Earn a Chance > > > To Win $500! > > > Tap into the largest installed PC base & get more eyes on your > > > game by > > > > > optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. 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