If they don't know what they've done wrong, what are they apologising for? On Oct 14, 2012 12:11 PM, "Martin Poulter" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Heed Fabian's words, please, Tom. It would be paradoxical at best to > say "we think mistakes have been made, and we're having an independent > review to look at what went wrong, and _here's_ _specifically_ _what_ > _went_ _wrong_." > > With a bit of imagination and stretchy analogies, it's possible to put > a negative spin on *any* development, and attribute the worst > intentions to any utterance. (*Cough* > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection_illusion ). > > On 14 October 2012 11:59, Thomas Dalton <[email protected]> wrote: > > When I was a child and got in trouble I would go up to my mum and say > "I'm > > sooooorrrryy". She would invariably respond "and what are you sorry for?" > > > > If I didn't have a good answer, the apology would have no effect. > > > > I don't think my upbringing was unusual in that respect. > > > > On Oct 14, 2012 9:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Tom, > >> > >> Please re-read the statement. > >> > >> The board: > >> a) acknowledges mistakes have been made > >> b) acknowledges that those mistakes have had a damaging impact > >> c) identified a process (the review) which will not only look closely at > >> what went on, but will produce "clear recommendations which will help us > >> follow best practice in every area of governance". > >> > >> I think you bring very important insights which can and should help get > >> WMUK to where it needs to be. However I don't think you help people > grasp > >> the importance of what you suggest when you take umbrage where it is not > >> necessary. > >> > >> all the best > >> > >> Fabian > >> (User:Leutha) > >> > >> > >> > >> Tom Dalton wrote: > >> >The board needs to learn how to write a statement that actually says > >> >something... > >> > > >> >Apologising for mistakes is meaningless if you don't acknowledge what > >> >those mistakes are. This statement comes across as defensive and empty > >> >of actual content. > >> > > >> >What have you done wrong? What are you doing about fixing the problems > >> >caused by those mistakes and making sure similar mistakes don't happen > >> >again? That's what people want to know. If you want to wait until the > >> >review is complete before going into details, then say that. Don't > >> .post this kind of meaningless drivel. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia UK mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > > > -- > Dr Martin L Poulter > Wikipedia contributor http://enwp.org/User:MartinPoulter > Associate, Wikimedia UK http://uk.wikimedia.org/ > Musician http://myspace.com/comapilot > Person http://infobomb.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >
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