Well, perhaps you'll be elated to know then that the grants for tech seem to have been removed <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:Start&diff=prev&oldid=26136082> after many months of waiting for them <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Start#Timeline_for_%22Wikimedia_Technology_Fund%22> . We're doing it wrong, indeed.
El mié., 31 de ene. de 2024 11:02 p. m., Gnangarra <[email protected]> escribió: > Before the WMF starts hiring, we need to be very clear exactly what > pathways and objectives we want to pursue, along with what functions should > be internally maintained. With that what happens with community built tools > that cross over from great tools to essential community infrastructure that > needs continued updates. Perhaps part of the "hiring" option is rewarding > volunteers who create them to help transition the tool to the internal > system. > > On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 01:35, Felipe Schenone <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I also think the WMF should prioritize hiring more developers over other >> roles and expenditures. The WMF has only a few hundred developers while >> other top sites have many thousands. While this efficiency is something to >> be proud of, it evidently comes at a cost. >> >> El mié., 31 de ene. de 2024 4:08 a. m., rupert THURNER < >> [email protected]> escribió: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 1:27 AM Gergő Tisza <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 1:57 PM Ori Livneh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If we're collecting exemplars, I'd like to add Bartosz >>>>> Ciechanowski's superlative articles <https://ciechanow.ski/archives/>, >>>>> like the ones on bicycles <https://ciechanow.ski/bicycle/> and sound >>>>> <https://ciechanow.ski/sound/>. His articles are the best examples I >>>>> know of interactive content that complements long-form text content. >>>>> >>>> >>>> This concept was popularized by Bret Victor under the name "explorable >>>> explanations <http://worrydream.com/ExplorableExplanations/>". There >>>> is a whole Wikipedia article >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explorable_explanation> on it. There >>>> are some great examples on his website, and there are some websites for >>>> collecting similar content, such as explorabl.es and an awesome list >>>> <https://github.com/blob42/awesome-explorables>. I agree they are >>>> really cool but... >>>> >>>> >>>>> The critical issue is *security*. Security is the reason the graph >>>>> extension is not enabled. Security is the reason why interactive SVGs are >>>>> not enabled. Interactive visualizations have a programmatic element that >>>>> consists of code that executes in the user's browser. Such code needs to >>>>> be >>>>> carefully sandboxed to ensure it cannot be used to exfiltrate user data or >>>>> surreptitiously perform actions on wiki. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I think it's fundamentally a human scaling problem. Being able to >>>> create good interactive content is just a much more niche skill than being >>>> able to create good text content. Interactive animations were very much >>>> part of Yuri's vision >>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Yurik/I_Dream_of_Content> for >>>> the Graph extension, but during the decade Graph was deployed in production >>>> the number of such animations made was approximately zero. Granted Vega is >>>> probably not the easiest framework for creating animations, but I don't >>>> think there are other tools which would make it much easier. You could just >>>> write arbitrary Javascript and package it as a gadget; but no one did that >>>> either. Instead, both gadgets and Graph usage are mostly focused on very >>>> basic things like showing a chess board or showing bar charts, because >>>> those are the things that can be reused across a large number of articles >>>> without manually tailoring the code to each, so the economics of creating >>>> them work out. >>>> >>> >>>> Security is a challenge but could be worked around via iframes. But >>>> it's hard to justify the effort required for doing that when there is no >>>> community of animation makers interested in it - there are plenty of >>>> volunteers who want to *have* animations, but it's not very clear that >>>> there are any who want to *make* animations. This is the same problem >>>> geni mentioned for videos - a lot of people say "we should have more >>>> videos", but it's not very clear who would make them. If platform support >>>> were the bottleneck here, I think the platform support would happen. But as >>>> things look now, it would just be a poor investment of resources IMO >>>> (compared to e.g. the Gadgets extension or Toolforge or Scribunto which do >>>> sustain vibrant volunteer ecosystems which are significantly held back by >>>> the limitations of these platforms). >>>> >>> >>> thank you for sharing ori and gergo. coming from i opened the page "how >>> to tune a guitar": >>> https://mathisonian.github.io/idyll/how-to-tune-a-guitar/, and the >>> readings about "reinventing human explanations" and so on: >>> https://explorabl.es/reading/. the sheer number of examples is saw out >>> of these links does not sound like there is a lack of persons who love to >>> do that. >>> >>> rupert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/7A6223FVC4SRJQSPZQLO5EILX7N7HZEG/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/WJHXZMUH7QRMYU5SR5HU5OZNN7SD7M5D/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > Boodarwun > Gnangarra > 'ngany dabakarn koorliny arn boodjera dardon nlangan Nyungar koortabodjar' > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/HV2RWC7NFJTBXDHXIT44R3QMYNRRBD4P/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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