Commons needs iterative workflows that tag problems and modify what reuses / transfusions are supported, rather than making everything a crude delete/keep decision. Else it will always struggle w scaling to these uses.
🌍🌏🌎🌑 On Mon., May 18, 2020, 9:48 a.m. Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l, < [email protected]> wrote: > in the past "99% unproblematic" was true, because most of the things were > obvious and standard (panorama of towns, ancient portraits), it's not > nowadays. > You can upload tons of unproblematic pictures because they are easy to > find, but you don't need them really. So they mostly clutter the workflow. > There are a lot of images of kittens that we can upload, good luck > categorizing them. Of course, you can switch to very specific projects like > "documenting all small rivers" but the core issue are also high-quality > upload. And everything is potentially problematic there: the right of an > important person to privacy, the right of the manufacturer of an > instruments, how creative is the lighting of an object? if I upload an > image of a town it's probably a very nice one, taken by a competent > photographer who clearly show them on line as well. You are in a dimension > where you need to study, learn, ask around, find a balance. Instead we have > people acting randomly and superficially, because they do not care about > the long-term effect of their actions. > > This impacts the maintenance of course, because very specific issues > requires sophisticated categories, processes and metadata. The effort there > is quite high, you are always the first one to arrive. the first one to > clean up,the first one to explain to a third party. If you add on that more > unnecessary stress than required, people reduce this job as much as they > can as a necessary balance. But that job has an important effect in the > overall maintenance, so at a certain point you start to see the effect when > it is not there. > > It's not a big surprise, we tried to explain this fact for years, but the > community is designed to ignore these aspects and encourage other work > attitudes. It's just like that. > > > Il lunedì 18 maggio 2020, 15:28:51 CEST, Yaroslav Blanter < > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > To be fair, in most cases to use Commons for uploading files is totally > unproblematic as soon as one has basic understanding of copyright. I am > pretty sure 99% of my uploads can not be deleted (I had my files > mass-nominated for deletion, once with the claim they are not mine, and > once with the claim they are holiday photos and out of scope, but both > cases admins were reasonably enough to speedy close the nominations). Of > course there are always potentially problematic cases, for example I can > imagine for one could start requiring "publication" dates for painting, > which is copyright paranoia but some people take it seriously etc. But if > one uploads something sufficiently far from the grey area it normally > should be ok. > > (I am still a Commons admin, but I reduced my admin activity to a minimum > and I am not planning to increase the activity level). > > Best > Yaroslav > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:12 PM Ziko van Dijk <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Alessandro, > Thank you for your post and its insight. I recognized the same with me: I > only make use of Wikimedia Commons in lessons if I have enough time. Also I > would introduce it only to students with a solid knowledge of English. > > > Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <[email protected]> > schrieb am Mo. 18. Mai 2020 um 13:08: > > > In the end, it's more like inducing order from other projects than caring > > about the order on Commons because there clearly can't be with people > > acting the way they do. > > > This is a great observation! And this phenomenon contributes to the > on-going chaos, to the work-around-culture you need to adapt to if you want > to make use of Wikimedia Commons. :-( > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > > They are also not caring for it: if you spend your time starting > > unnecessary deletion procedures instead of cleaning up categories or > > description, you obviously have your priority, so we also have ours. > > > > > About the main page, we need to focus more on media files IMHO, and of > > course search is complicated but I am sure metadata can improve it. > > > > A. > > Il lunedì 18 maggio 2020, 11:33:46 CEST, Robert Myers < > > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > > > Well some people do, but it is when they get trolled by other > contributors > > and/or overzealous Admin comes along and deletes the file. They quickly > > lose interest, in turn telling other people not to bother. > > > > I just had another lot of photographs tagged by a troll, in which an > Admin > > deletes ( > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File:Rachel_Priest_after_the_Sydney_Thunder_vs_Adelaide_Strikers_WBBL_game_at_Robertson_Oval.jpg > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File:Abandoned_farm_house_in_Hillgrove_01.jpg > > ). > > These have been on Commons for two + years, using the same camera gear I > > have used over the years. If it is enough for me to give up on the > project, > > it would be the same for any other user but for a newbie it is something > > that would make me run for the hills (depart quickly as possible)! > > > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to > > > Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much > > > broader than that of Wikipedia. > > > > > > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why > people > > > don't contribute more broadly? > > > > > > ~Benjamin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Myers > > Secretary - Wikimedia Australia > > M: +61 400 670 288 > > [email protected] > > http://www.wikimedia.org.au > > > > Wikimedia Australia Inc. is an independent charitable organisation which > > supports the efforts of the Wikimedia Foundation in Australia. 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