Hi Farhad, It is very easily understood by the so called Brazilian scenario:
Step 1 - AffCom recognizes a chapter style UG, with geographic focus Step 2 - Dissidents from first group start warring first UG while attempting to form a second UG, clone of the first UG Step 3 - AffCom recognizes second UG Step 4 - Conflict between UGs dramatically increases with time, spreading into the Wikimedia projects Step 5 - AffCom dissolves both UGs Current status: No recognized Wikimedia community in the country My opinion: Terrible disservice by AffCom to the Wikimedia Movement. Best, Paulo Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin <[email protected]> escreveu no dia sexta, 15/02/2019 à(s) 10:59: > Dear Kiril, Philip and colleagues, > > Please explain the nature of reasons that cause trouble in having multiple > Wikimedia affiliates in the area, as this seems to be context specific. > It's possible that our context in Russia is very different, which is why > we are actually welcoming creation of new UGs throughout the country, both > territorially and thematically oriented ones (on top of the Wikimedia > Russia national chapter). > Should you give more reasons why this seems causing conflict, I might. > > Over here we are quite happy with existing collaboration at all levels and > are even looking forward to developing a mechanism to speed up their > formation throughout the country - namely > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Languages_of_Russia_Community_User_Group > Myself and other representatives of Wikimedia Russia discussed this in > detail and welcomed by AffCom secretary during Wikimania 2017 > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frhdkazan/Wikimania2017#Aug.12 And > in the framework of https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region > initiative, I will eventually proceed to registering a Tatarstan-oriented > thematic multilingual UG, on top of recently registered > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_Group > & Wikimedia Russia, in both of which I am currently a member. > > regards, > farhad > > -- > Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan > > > 14.02.2019, 03:25, "Kiril Simeonovski" <[email protected]>: > > Hi Paulo, > > > > Camelia's paragraph that you referred to tells a story that is exactly > the > > opposite of what the Affiliations Committee is doing in practice. The > > so-called 'Brazilian scenario' emerged in Macedonia when, in 2016, the > > committee decided to recognise a second user group on the same territory > > without consulting the existing one. This has eventually developed into a > > problem regarding the overlap in the scope of the two user groups and the > > resolution was normally sought from the people (more importantly > > volunteers) who were not willing this to happen. It should be also noted > > that Macedonia is a country with only 2 million inhabitants unlike > Brazil's > > over 200 million and this has been mentioned numerous times by different > > people in the movement to refer to the severity of the problem. > > > > My opinion is that the Affiliations Committee has no vision on the future > > of the Wikimedia movement and their main efficiency indicator is the > number > > of user groups they recognise with no care about the consequencies of the > > apparent wrongdoing. They managed to bring the tally to over 100 user > > groups and the Wikimedia Foundation even got engaged to celebrate this > > achievement, while they did not give a damn about the problems that they > > have posed with their light-minded routine. Moreover, when you approach > > them with some relevant questions, they simply brush off and respond > with a > > months-long delay. > > > > In conclusion, the Affiliations Committee is artificially creating > problems > > as a result of their recognition policy and is seeking resolution from > > volunteers that were not consulted at all about the potential > > consequencies. This is a waste of volunteer time and efforts for > something > > that could have easily been prevented. Unfortunately, the Wikimedia > > Foundation and some other voices in the movement contribute to this > misery > > and it is highly unprobable that any complaint to any one in the movement > > would pay off. > > > > Best regards, > > Kiril > > > > On сре., 13 фев. 2019 г. at 16:13 Paulo Santos Perneta < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> camelia boban <[email protected]> escreveu no dia terça, > 12/02/2019 > >> à(s) 11:18: > >> > >> > (...) > >> > In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom > has > >> > acted as it always does when it receives affiliation requests: it > >> assesses > >> > the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests with > >> > others affiliates present in the territory, contacting the already > >> > recognized affiliates to hear from them about any concerns, using the > >> > experience and knowledge on the territory of each of its members. > >> > > >> > >> I suppose this was not in effect back in 2015, when Wiki Education > Brazil > >> was approved, as neither the existing affiliate in Brazil - UG > Wikimedia > >> in Brazil -, nor Wikimedia Portugal, have been consulted about it, even > >> when it totally overlapped with the territory of the existing > affiliate in > >> Brazil, and was announced by AffCom as having a Lusophone target, > therefore > >> interfering in Portugal as well. Furthermore, at the date it was > approved, > >> Wiki Education Brazil was already in open conflict with the existing > >> affiliate in Brazil, which makes the approval decision by AffCom > absolutely > >> incomprehensible. > >> > >> Actually, I really fail to understand why the candidatures to AffCom > >> continue allowed to be proposed in absolute secrecy, leaving any > problems > >> caused by their approvals to be dealt with by the community after the > >> problem is already installed. Does not seem a very clever way of > acting. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Paulo - DarwIn > >> Wikimedia Portugal > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
