Dear Kiril, Philip and colleagues, Please explain the nature of reasons that cause trouble in having multiple Wikimedia affiliates in the area, as this seems to be context specific. It's possible that our context in Russia is very different, which is why we are actually welcoming creation of new UGs throughout the country, both territorially and thematically oriented ones (on top of the Wikimedia Russia national chapter). Should you give more reasons why this seems causing conflict, I might.
Over here we are quite happy with existing collaboration at all levels and are even looking forward to developing a mechanism to speed up their formation throughout the country - namely https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Languages_of_Russia_Community_User_Group Myself and other representatives of Wikimedia Russia discussed this in detail and welcomed by AffCom secretary during Wikimania 2017 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frhdkazan/Wikimania2017#Aug.12 And in the framework of https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region initiative, I will eventually proceed to registering a Tatarstan-oriented thematic multilingual UG, on top of recently registered https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_Group & Wikimedia Russia, in both of which I am currently a member. regards, farhad -- Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan 14.02.2019, 03:25, "Kiril Simeonovski" <[email protected]>: > Hi Paulo, > > Camelia's paragraph that you referred to tells a story that is exactly the > opposite of what the Affiliations Committee is doing in practice. The > so-called 'Brazilian scenario' emerged in Macedonia when, in 2016, the > committee decided to recognise a second user group on the same territory > without consulting the existing one. This has eventually developed into a > problem regarding the overlap in the scope of the two user groups and the > resolution was normally sought from the people (more importantly > volunteers) who were not willing this to happen. It should be also noted > that Macedonia is a country with only 2 million inhabitants unlike Brazil's > over 200 million and this has been mentioned numerous times by different > people in the movement to refer to the severity of the problem. > > My opinion is that the Affiliations Committee has no vision on the future > of the Wikimedia movement and their main efficiency indicator is the number > of user groups they recognise with no care about the consequencies of the > apparent wrongdoing. They managed to bring the tally to over 100 user > groups and the Wikimedia Foundation even got engaged to celebrate this > achievement, while they did not give a damn about the problems that they > have posed with their light-minded routine. Moreover, when you approach > them with some relevant questions, they simply brush off and respond with a > months-long delay. > > In conclusion, the Affiliations Committee is artificially creating problems > as a result of their recognition policy and is seeking resolution from > volunteers that were not consulted at all about the potential > consequencies. This is a waste of volunteer time and efforts for something > that could have easily been prevented. Unfortunately, the Wikimedia > Foundation and some other voices in the movement contribute to this misery > and it is highly unprobable that any complaint to any one in the movement > would pay off. > > Best regards, > Kiril > > On сре., 13 фев. 2019 г. at 16:13 Paulo Santos Perneta < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> camelia boban <[email protected]> escreveu no dia terça, 12/02/2019 >> à(s) 11:18: >> >> > (...) >> > In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom has >> > acted as it always does when it receives affiliation requests: it >> assesses >> > the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests with >> > others affiliates present in the territory, contacting the already >> > recognized affiliates to hear from them about any concerns, using the >> > experience and knowledge on the territory of each of its members. >> > >> >> I suppose this was not in effect back in 2015, when Wiki Education Brazil >> was approved, as neither the existing affiliate in Brazil - UG Wikimedia >> in Brazil -, nor Wikimedia Portugal, have been consulted about it, even >> when it totally overlapped with the territory of the existing affiliate in >> Brazil, and was announced by AffCom as having a Lusophone target, therefore >> interfering in Portugal as well. Furthermore, at the date it was approved, >> Wiki Education Brazil was already in open conflict with the existing >> affiliate in Brazil, which makes the approval decision by AffCom absolutely >> incomprehensible. >> >> Actually, I really fail to understand why the candidatures to AffCom >> continue allowed to be proposed in absolute secrecy, leaving any problems >> caused by their approvals to be dealt with by the community after the >> problem is already installed. Does not seem a very clever way of acting. >> >> Best, >> >> Paulo - DarwIn >> Wikimedia Portugal >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
