Hello everyone, sorry on my delayed answer. I respond in the name of AffCom as inside the group it is one of the tasks assigned to me.
In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the movement, AffCom has acted as it always does when it receives affiliation requests: it assesses the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the requests with others affiliates present in the territory, contacting the already recognized affiliates to hear from them about any concerns, using the experience and knowledge on the territory of each of its members. And it suggests, but does not decide affiliation. In the specific case of Albania, the objectives purpose of the first UG (Wikimedia Community User Group Albania) in that specific moment was the Albanian language (which is spoken not only in Albania, but also in Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece, Turkey, Italy) and activities especially related to Wiki Loves Monuments, diversity and Wikidata, OSCAL and Software Freedom Kosova. In the case instead of the second UG (Wikimedia Community User Group Albania) the purpose was Outreach, GLAM and education, everything focused territorially on Albania. So no scope overlap, no territory overlap. Furthermore, the two groups had always actively collaborated together until that point. We followed the rules/models we actually have and these are the right motivations for which AffCom has suggested at that time the recognition of the second group. If instead we want to discuss about find/suggest different models of affiliation or chage the existent, this must be a separate conversation. Thank you. Camelia & Sami, on behalf of AffCom -- *Camelia Boban* *| Developer |* *Affiliations Committee Treasurer - **Wikimedia *Foundation Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030 Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member M. +39 3383385545 [email protected] *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> | *Twitter <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *Google Plu <https://plus.google.com/+CameliaBoban/>s <https://plus.google.com/+CameliaBoban/>* *WikiDonne <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiDonne>* *| **LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122> **|* *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/> Il giorno ven 8 feb 2019 alle ore 19:22 Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin <[email protected]> ha scritto: > We are likely to eventually have a similar situation in my region of the > Russian Federation & we welcome this. > > 1) A recently recognized Wikimedia Community of Tatar language User Group > (WUG TAT) is a language-oriented UG without geographical borders. > 2) At the same time, we will eventually need a Tatarstan-centered > Wikimedia User Group / Subnational Thematic organization without specific > language focus. > > I am actually in the process of laying the ground for the second. During > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион/05.02.2019/en I was given less > than a minute, but still managed to convince both Federal Deputy > Prime-Minister and Regional President. I will have to craft value > proposition statements & roadmaps in a way as to try have this implemented > first in my Republic, then across Russia. > > farhad > > -- > Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan > > > 06.02.2019, 21:02, "Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l" < > [email protected]>: > > I guess... probably one include also the majority of Kosovo, > Albanian-speaking regions of Greece, P.Y.R.O.M./North Macedonia and maybe > even Southern Italy and the other one is just centered on Albania as a > state. This is not the same scenario as Brazil (not sure if, partially, > also Greece) since in that case we had two group precisely centered on one > country. > > > > It's not totally practical but the geopolitical situation is not > practical in the end by itself... You cannot force people to get rid of a > group that might become a future national chapter because their language is > spoken by many other people in neighboring countries who already clustered > in a previous UG. So it should not be considered a critical situation per > se, although the interaction of the two UGs should be closely monitored and > addressed since the beginning. > > > > What is missing is a precise guideline or attention to UG related to > languages (of minorities or globally spoken). You could have the same > problem with a future Italian minor languages UG active in Corsica or > Croatia, with a Retho-romance Alpine language user group, with a gender gap > UG active in a language distributed along various borders... and so on. > They don't seem to show huge problems when similar situation exist in > reality but they could degenerate, stop cooperation, or never start it with > other UGs or national chapters. > > I value plurality, I want UG to be created and catalyze activities, and > I think that the problem is mostly the character of people. However, I > strongly advocate a more structured architecture of language-based UG to be > implemented. Basically what I suppose was done with Catalan Wikimedia > Thematic Organization, although in that case there is no main entity > competing on the area of a sovereign country where Catalan is spoken (which > is not necessarily a better scenario, just complex in a different way). We > call them almost all "User groups" but they are sometimes local > geographical unions of users and volunteers (embryonic future national > chapters or just regional associations), language-oriented associations > created to involve minorities or cross-projects of interested users unified > by a topic. They all have different purpose and should be rationalized > somehow. I think I pushed a little bit in that direction on the application > to WikiSummit, stressing the importance to make order in the field. > > IMHO, we should have single-language thematic organizations > (specifically for a language), cross-language thematic organization or > local UG centered on a vague historic geographical area or a very precise > administrative one. And think carefully about their status. This is however > just a vague idea. > > > > Alessandro > > Il mercoledì 6 febbraio 2019, 18:11:57 CET, Philip Kopetzky < > [email protected]> ha scritto: > > > > Just to close off this thread, there seemingly is no plan and others are > > left to deal with the fallout of this decision. > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 08:23, Paulo Santos Perneta < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Kirill, > >> > >> I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having > >> followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst > >> possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Paulo > >> > >> 2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha <[email protected]>: > >> > >>> Hi Kirill > >>> > >>> Philip's concerns were not answered, would you please respond, I had > the > >>> very same question. > >>> > >>> Mardetanha > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Philip Kopetzky < > >>> [email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hi Kirill, > >>> > > >>> > what's the difference/relationship between this group and the > >>> Wikimedians > >>> > of Albanian Language User Group, which is currently applying for a > >>> > simpleAPG grant? How do we avoid creating more Brazilian scenarios > by > >>> > reconising even more user groups from the same area? > >>> > > >>> > Best, > >>> > Philip > >>> > > >>> > On 22 May 2018 at 22:07, Kirill Lokshin <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > Hi everyone! > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has > >>> recognized > >>> > > [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Albania [2] as a Wikimedia User > >>> Group. > >>> > > The group aims to improve content about Albania across the > Wikimedia > >>> > > projects, including Commons and Wikidata, and to collaborate with > >>> other > >>> > > Wikimedia user groups, chapters, and other free culture groups in > >>> Albania > >>> > > and across the region. > >>> > > > >>> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user > group! > >>> > > > >>> > > Regards, > >>> > > Kirill Lokshin > >>> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee > >>> > > > >>> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/ > >>> > > Resolutions/Recognition_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Albania > >>> > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_ > >>> > Group_Albania > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > Affiliates mailing list > >>> > > [email protected] > >>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >>> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > >>> > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>> > New messages to: [email protected] > >>> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>> > <mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>> New messages to: [email protected] > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >>> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Affiliates mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
