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> Le 16 oct. 2017 à 19:34, Jean-Philippe Béland <[email protected]> a écrit 
> :
> 
> There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wikipedia
> like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> 
> Jean-Philippe Béland
> Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
>> comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine
>> people like myself.
>> 
>> I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
>> 
>> 
>> Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
>>> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
>>> 
>>> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this
>>> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the
>>> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project
>>> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
>>> mass-producing poor-quality content).
>>> 
>>> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
>>> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I
>>> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can
>>> be
>>> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of poor
>>> wording.
>>> 
>>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
>>> gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this
>>> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her
>>> email address.
>>> 
>>> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
>>> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
>>> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
>>> 
>>> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a
>>> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going
>>> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of
>>> stubs.
>>> 
>>> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better
>>> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't
>>> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
>>> 
>>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>>> 
>> 
>> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
>> 
>>> Is that still going on?
>>> 
>>> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on Wikipedia.
>>> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned out
>>> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on women
>>> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of them.
>>> 
>>> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in
>>> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration of
>>> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist. The
>>> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian
>>> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just because
>>> of what the subject happens to be.
>>> 
>>> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling people
>>> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all for
>>> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in this
>>> thread.
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
>>>> 
>>>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these
>>>> issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping
>>>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
>>>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest tones
>>>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and apologies
>>>> are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that even the
>>>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying to
>>>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
>>>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know *nothing*
>>>>> about
>>>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is, incidentally,
>>>>> one
>>>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> --
>> Pax Ahimsa Gethen | [email protected] | http://funcrunch.org | Pronouns:
>> they/them/their
>> 
>> 
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