+1 > Le 16 oct. 2017 à 19:34, Jean-Philippe Béland <[email protected]> a écrit > : > > There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wikipedia > like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to > keep their internal discussions internal and not this community? > > Jean-Philippe Béland > Vice President, Wikimedia Canada > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a >> comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine >> people like myself. >> >> I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread: >> >> >> Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's >>> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points. >>> >>> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this >>> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the >>> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project >>> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not >>> mass-producing poor-quality content). >>> >>> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between >>> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I >>> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can >>> be >>> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of poor >>> wording. >>> >>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare) >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare <gorillawarfarewikipedia@ >>> gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this >>> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her >>> email address. >>> >>> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some >>> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD >>> everything that comes out of this contest as it is? >>> >>> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a >>> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going >>> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of >>> stubs. >>> >>> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better >>> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't >>> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands." >>> >>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare) >>> >> >> - Pax aka Funcrunch >> >> >> >> On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote: >> >>> Is that still going on? >>> >>> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on Wikipedia. >>> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned out >>> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on women >>> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of them. >>> >>> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in >>> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration of >>> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist. The >>> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian >>> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just because >>> of what the subject happens to be. >>> >>> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling people >>> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all for >>> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in this >>> thread. >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite? >>>> >>>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these >>>> issues. Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping >>>> generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's >>>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest tones >>>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and apologies >>>> are demanded. We've culturally internalized sexism so much that even the >>>> way we talk about sexism is sexist. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying to >>>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat. >>>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know *nothing* >>>>> about >>>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is, incidentally, >>>>> one >>>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism. >>>>> >>>> >> -- >> Pax Ahimsa Gethen | [email protected] | http://funcrunch.org | Pronouns: >> they/them/their >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> > > > > -- > > Jean-Philippe Béland > > [image: Wikimedia Canada] Vice-président — Wikimédia Canada > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=fr>, chapitre national > soutenant Wikipédia > Vice president — Wikimedia Canada > <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?uselang=en>, national chapter > supporting Wikipedia > 535 avenue Viger Est, Montréal (Québec) H2L 2P3,[email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
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