Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not mass-producing poor-quality content). As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can be described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of poor wording. – Molly (GorillaWarfare) On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare <gorillawarfarewikipedia@ gmail.com> wrote: > Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this > list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her > email address. > > "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some > stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD > everything that comes out of this contest as it is? > > I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a > higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going > to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of > stubs. > > And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better > than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't > have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands." > > – Molly (GorillaWarfare) > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on >> here >> I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it >> looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition >> given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start >> now in sandboxes, its being advertised on banners yet it has very obvious >> under lying issues >> >> - unrealistic targets >> - quantity not quality >> - an expectation that competitors are required to do half of what is >> expected from new editors , we should hold ourselves and expect of >> higher >> standards than that we expect from new comers >> - no methodology for notability. blp, copyright issues arent weeded out >> during the event or judging >> - judging is done by a bot just doing a count >> >> To win this event all you need is a list, a script, and reliable internet >> connection, despite having so many signed up well experience good editors >> on the list. <sarcasm> Sadly one person using a Wikidata script to >> create >> articles could be the winner, just imagine the unimaginable >> frankenstienian horror that would create </sarcasm> >> >> Any competition that relies on numbers alone is fraught with danger, the >> big international events all succeed not because of numbers but because >> of >> large teams(this run by one person alone) focused on quality with the >> whole >> processes divided into manageable opt-in regional sections. All the >> initiatives to focus on under represented topics need to be careful few >> thousands of poor quality stubs about women is more harmful than having >> nothing as people will perceive Wikipedia to be paying lip service to >> women. >> >> >> >> >> On 16 October 2017 at 07:18, Keegan Peterzell <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell < >> > [email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia >> > > > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's >> nothing >> > to >> > > > write about here." >> > > > >> > > > That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the >> subject >> > is >> > > > anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on >> other >> > > > subjects. >> > > >> > > >> > > Please avoid personal attacks based on hidden motivations you assume >> > other >> > > parties to have; it's contrary to the Wikimedia movement's social best >> > > practices [1] and bound to take discussions in unproductive >> directions. >> > > When criticizing what someone said, stick to what they actually said. >> > > Especially so if your accusation of bad faith would be essentially >> > > content-free. >> > >> > >> > Todd, Gnangarra, Gergő, >> > >> > My intention, as I touched on earlier, was not to make a personal attack >> > but to address the tone in which I perceived the email to be written. I >> > don't believe Gnangarra is actually sexist. I certainly stand by my >> > position that the content of the initial post is unhelpful criticism and >> > mostly hyperbole, but I'm more than willing to apologize if my language >> > came across as a personal attack. I could have written it differently. >> So, >> > sorry about that. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ~Keegan >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan >> > >> > This is my personal email address. 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