Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her email address.
"This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD everything that comes out of this contest as it is? I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of stubs. And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands." – Molly (GorillaWarfare) On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on here > I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it > looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition > given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start > now in sandboxes, its being advertised on banners yet it has very obvious > under lying issues > > - unrealistic targets > - quantity not quality > - an expectation that competitors are required to do half of what is > expected from new editors , we should hold ourselves and expect of > higher > standards than that we expect from new comers > - no methodology for notability. blp, copyright issues arent weeded out > during the event or judging > - judging is done by a bot just doing a count > > To win this event all you need is a list, a script, and reliable internet > connection, despite having so many signed up well experience good editors > on the list. <sarcasm> Sadly one person using a Wikidata script to create > articles could be the winner, just imagine the unimaginable > frankenstienian horror that would create </sarcasm> > > Any competition that relies on numbers alone is fraught with danger, the > big international events all succeed not because of numbers but because of > large teams(this run by one person alone) focused on quality with the whole > processes divided into manageable opt-in regional sections. All the > initiatives to focus on under represented topics need to be careful few > thousands of poor quality stubs about women is more harmful than having > nothing as people will perceive Wikipedia to be paying lip service to > women. > > > > > On 16 October 2017 at 07:18, Keegan Peterzell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell < > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia > > > > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing > > to > > > > write about here." > > > > > > > > That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subject > > is > > > > anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on other > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > Please avoid personal attacks based on hidden motivations you assume > > other > > > parties to have; it's contrary to the Wikimedia movement's social best > > > practices [1] and bound to take discussions in unproductive directions. > > > When criticizing what someone said, stick to what they actually said. > > > Especially so if your accusation of bad faith would be essentially > > > content-free. > > > > > > Todd, Gnangarra, Gergő, > > > > My intention, as I touched on earlier, was not to make a personal attack > > but to address the tone in which I perceived the email to be written. I > > don't believe Gnangarra is actually sexist. I certainly stand by my > > position that the content of the initial post is unhelpful criticism and > > mostly hyperbole, but I'm more than willing to apologize if my language > > came across as a personal attack. I could have written it differently. > So, > > sorry about that. > > > > > > > > -- > > ~Keegan > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > > > > This is my personal email address. 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