You know, it's possible that the people who work for the Foundation might understand the situation in a more nuanced way than you do. I know it doesn't seem likely, but dare to dream.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Anthony Cole <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks James. > > I'm not on staff, nor am I part of the inner circle of volunteers in > constant touch with staff or the board. From the perspective of the wider > community, though, this all looks very dodgy. Lila's arrival marked for us > a revolution in the relationship. There is probably nothing either of us > can do to change our conflicting views. > > Most disturbing to me is the reappearance of some former C-level staff, who > I (among many others) was delighted to see the back of, on this list and > Wikipedia Weekly, positioning themselves for the new dawn. It's very > unseemly seeing the people responsible for the shambles Lila inherited now > lighting up the torches. > > On Sunday, 21 February 2016, James Alexander <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It is probably best for me not to get into a long count/counterpoint here > > but I couldn't avoid not responding at all. > > > > As Ori hinted at I hope that everyone can reflect on the idea of > causation > > vs correlation > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation>. > The > > fact that good things have happened is not necessarily because of, but > > despite of, current leadership. There is no doubt that there have been a > > lot of good things to occur in the past while but those are, very > > frequently, because people have been freed up some to do what they want. > A > > lack of direction or clear strategy can, in fact, have good side effects > if > > you have amazing people on board because they're able to make decisions > > they've wanted to make for a while. However at the same time it can drive > > them insane as they strive to keep it on that track and to avoid the > taking > > crazy routes or stop leadership from making decisions they feel would > > disrupt the projects and the movement too much or go against our morals. > > > > We have a lot of great new hires but much of that was driven by the good > > people who already existed since it's the older ones who got into more > > management type roles either officially or unofficially). Even at the > > executive level it's telling that the 3 most long standing and solid > > C-levels we have are all pre-lila appointees: Katherine (just before Lila > > but still before), Lisa and Geoff. Our cycle of c-level replacements > since > > then have been both hires and departures (with, unfortunately, less hires > > then departures still) including multiple short term hires (in roles that > > are traditionally very long term). > > > > I am not going to pretend I agreed with Sue at all times, or that every > > decision she made was right however I at least felt like I knew what they > > were (In fact I strongly disliked her strategy believing it bad for the > org > > and the movement, but again, I felt I knew what it was/understood it). > > However I am also not going to accept the idea that Lila has made this > > place so much better. As someone who saw them happen internally I don't > > think her finger prints are really on any of the things you mention, they > > were all 'despite' not 'because' of her and so much more could have been > > done and wanted to be done. Slight exception possibly for the FDC bit but > > that happened after all of this started exploding internally in the past > > couple months and so she knew that she had no trust left internally and > > all of the staff close to it basically said "we can not defend you on > this > > if you don't go the FDC" so I still don't really see it as a proactive > > choice on her front. > > > > James > > [[User:Jamesofur]]/[[User:Jalexander-WMF]] > > > > Personal capacity, as signaled by my email address, but since some > complain > > I don't make it clear my role in WMF when I send this type of email: I am > > also the Manager of Trust & Safety > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Anthony Cole <[email protected] > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > I know. > > > > > > Anthony Cole > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Brion Vibber <[email protected] > > <javascript:;>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Anthony Cole <[email protected] > > <javascript:;>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > * The Community Resources Team is in place - it surveyed the > > community > > > > and > > > > > discussed with them their technical priorities, and tailored their > > Idea > > > > Lab > > > > > Campaign accordingly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, the head of that team is one of those who resigned last week: > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-February/081809.html > > > > > > > > -- brion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: [email protected] <javascript:;> > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: [email protected] <javascript:;> > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: [email protected] <javascript:;> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;> > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > Anthony Cole > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
