I would rather say it should not be the only measure. Of course Israel is a 
very special case (and so are countries whose governments ban Israeli citizens 
from entering their countries).

Other than that we have multiple measures of visa-friendliness:
* number of countries whose citizens do not need to apply for a visa
* availability of embassies abroad, particularly in countries that are not 
visa-free (say, Canada has an extensive network of embassies all over the 
world, including countries whose citizens need visas)
* visa application rejection rate
* frequency of denial of entry at border control.


I do not intend to promote any country, I just want everyone to be fair and do 
not call a country "visa-friendly" if in reality more than half of countries 
need visas there, and vice versa.
* A visa-friendly country looks like this: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Maldives
* A country that is not visa-friendly looks like this: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_North_Korea


Mykola (NickK)
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Дата: 3 липня 2017, 00:17:31


Number of countries that can enter a country without visa is not a good 
measurement for a country being visa-friendly. Let's use your example. Per what 
you said it seems Israel is a more visa friendly country than Italy which is 
not correct. It's correct Israel allows more people to visit without visa but 
1- For a handful number of countries visiting Israel is not an option at all 
(like mine which has twenty years in jail when I come back) 2- if we pass that 
point, they are really difficult on giving visa to Muslim/Arab countries 
passport holders. 3- The border control is very harsh and can deny entry on 
strange reasons even with valid visa or passport of a not-visa-needed country. 
What you just need is to look slightly non-Western and they give you hell in 
border. It happened in a recent Wikimedia event.

Best


On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 2:33 AM Mykola Kozlenko <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

For the sake of the discussion on "it's way better in my country", please look 
what your country's visa policy really is. For instance, check 
https://www.passportindex.org/byWelcomingRank.php or relative (English) 
Wikipedia articles. The former gives the following figures:
(Five latest Wikimania hosts)
* Canada: 51 country can enter visa-free, visa on arrival, ETA or equivalent
* Mexico: 67
* UK: 91
* Italy: 93
* Hong Kong: 144
(Some other countries mentioned here)
* Australia: 34
* Thailand: 78
* Israel: 96


Yes, that means that Canada is the least visa-friendly Wikimania host in the 
last 5 years. And yes, Thailand is less visa-friendly than the UK. And yes, 
Australia is the least visa-friendly country with an established Wikimedia 
chapter.


Thus please do refer to facts when qualifying a country as a visa-friendly or 
not, and not to your own perception of a country's visa policy.


Thanks
Mykola (NickK)

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Дата: 2 липня 2017, 23:19:44




Hello,
Am 02.07.2017 um 13:37 schrieb cs:
>  a country like  Thailand where I  live

you mean a country which is currently a military dictatorship (for the
second time in 10 years)? A country that was THIS close to a open civil
war? And if not a civil war, maybe a real war with Cambodia?

Visa problems are problematic, but it is 10 times better than to give
the Wikimania to an instable country – we are not the FIFA.

Sincerely,
DaB.


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