I think there could be at least a few sessions in French, during the North American sessions and/or if there is a Francophone language track during the pre-conference.
Similarly, there could be sessions in Spanish during North American and/or Iberocoop pre-conference sessions. Pine On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima <[email protected]> wrote: > *Lodewijk said: Now I *do* see an added value for a French language >> track... * >> > > About that: There will be tracks in French? Quebec being a French > speaking province and all... > > > _____ > *Béria L. de Rodríguez* > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a > construir esse sonho.* > > 2016-07-06 14:33 GMT-03:00 Pharos <[email protected]>: > >> None! We'd want as many Europeans, Asians, Africans, and South Americans >> as are interested to join the North American regional planning meetups. >> >> Thanks, >> Pharos >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Still I wonder: what would be the kind of topics you'd like to schedule >>> there that you would /not/ want non-North Americans to participate in? >>> >>> Lodewijk >>> >>> 2016-07-06 19:28 GMT+02:00 Sydney Poore <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> As Pharos says, my understanding also from discussions was that North >>>> Americans were planning to have a pre-conference or post conference at >>>> Wikimanina 2017. >>>> >>>> Sydney >>>> >>>> Sydney Poore >>>> User:FloNight >>>> Wiki Project Med Foundation >>>> WikiWomen's User Group >>>> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pharos <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, we were thinking more along the lines of an expanded >>>>> preconference with greater regional opportunities, rather than a separate >>>>> track during the actual Wikimania. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Pharos >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, phoebe ayers <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Or -- my favorite solution -- leaving LOTS of time in the schedule >>>>>> for meetups and discussion tracks, so that all kinds of groups -- >>>>>> including >>>>>> those interested specifically in North America-related issues (like >>>>>> building a coalition of NA usergroups, planning future conferences, doing >>>>>> NA-specific outreach or lobbying) can meet to discuss such things. >>>>>> >>>>>> We've had discussion time historically at most Wikimanias but I think >>>>>> we can always leave more time in the schedule for this kind of meetup. >>>>>> Additionally a preconference day could work too, when multiple thematic >>>>>> tracks could be scheduled (lots of people have historically asked for >>>>>> preconferences, not just the hackers -- everyone from researchers to >>>>>> librarians to glam outreach coordinators to affiliates have considered it >>>>>> in the past). >>>>>> >>>>>> (Of course, if I was in charge of the schedule I would probably get >>>>>> rid of individual presentations altogether during Wikimania, and just >>>>>> have >>>>>> panels/lightning talks/discussions. Best not to put me in charge of the >>>>>> schedule! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Phoebe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Pine, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-located events in conferences work well if the event that is >>>>>>> co-located with the main conference attracts a new audience that the >>>>>>> main >>>>>>> conference doesn't usually get by default. In the case of Wikimania and >>>>>>> WikiConference North America, I can see a lot of overlap based on the >>>>>>> last >>>>>>> couple of years' schedules. This will result in what Lodewijk is >>>>>>> concerned >>>>>>> about: splitting the potential audience in smaller groups while they can >>>>>>> benefit from getting in one room. Also, an already hard task of >>>>>>> scheduling >>>>>>> events will become even harder: For example, we need to worry about not >>>>>>> scheduling two GLAM events at the same time, one focusing on North >>>>>>> America >>>>>>> and the other a general/global event. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This being said, I understand that you want to be mindful of the >>>>>>> cost and time spent for these conferences. My suggestion would be for >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> to consider a 1-2 day event pre/post Wikimania focused on North America. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Leila >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leila Zia >>>>>>> Research Scientist >>>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Lodewijk < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Pine, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing your thought process. I can see why you identify >>>>>>>> a topical overlap between Wikimania in North America and the North >>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>> WikiConference. I also see why those topics should be part of the >>>>>>>> programme >>>>>>>> at Wikimania - I don't expect much disagreement in that field. And >>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>> you do, it will be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The question is, why would you want to organise it in a special >>>>>>>> 'track' beyond a grouping of similar topics - which seems overly >>>>>>>> formal and >>>>>>>> separatist. There's an overlap between all topics that you mention, >>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>> wouldn't see either why there should be a 'legal track', 'glam track' >>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> Every 'regional topic' will likely also fall under Nature, Glam, >>>>>>>> Technology, Law, Education or one of the other topical groupings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Having a 'track' in a formal way, is much more heavy than grouping >>>>>>>> topics that are related, together. To me it would suggest that 1) North >>>>>>>> Americans can't learn from projects from elsewhere (I think the >>>>>>>> opposite is >>>>>>>> true) and 2) Non-North Americans should not attend those presentations >>>>>>>> (which I also think would be quite untrue). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The question is what you're trying to accomplish. I would be a fan >>>>>>>> of rather mingling geographies, rather than separating them out, >>>>>>>> unless you >>>>>>>> have a strong reason to do otherwise. It makes more sense to me to have >>>>>>>> three presentations about education grouped together where they come >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> different regions, with different approaches than to have three >>>>>>>> presentations about North America on a variety of topics grouped >>>>>>>> together. >>>>>>>> I would find it even more odd to have a whole track dedicated to a >>>>>>>> region - >>>>>>>> and it would be without precedent (I think). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2016-07-06 9:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm fine with multiple language tracks (most likely including >>>>>>>>> French and Spanish). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The reason for a geographic track (in this case, North America) is >>>>>>>>> that otherwise we'd be having a separate conference that served this >>>>>>>>> purpose. I'm sure that many of us in North America will want to attend >>>>>>>>> tracks on subjects other than geographic interest (technology, >>>>>>>>> research, >>>>>>>>> GLAM, STEM, law, education, outreach, community health, and >>>>>>>>> governance come >>>>>>>>> to mind), so there will be substantial benefit in effectively >>>>>>>>> co-locating >>>>>>>>> the conferences. My guess is that this can be done in a way that is a >>>>>>>>> net >>>>>>>>> positive for all. For example, the scholarship budget that would >>>>>>>>> otherwise >>>>>>>>> be requested for a separate WikiConference North America 2017 could >>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>> be used to facilitate increased attendance by North Americans in >>>>>>>>> Montreal, >>>>>>>>> which I think would have the benefit of increasing attendance at >>>>>>>>> Wikimania, >>>>>>>>> and at the same time we would eliminate the need to find a time and >>>>>>>>> venue >>>>>>>>> for a separate conference with separate expenses. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 23:36, "Lodewijk" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey pine, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As most people will be able to confirm, having a bigger presence >>>>>>>>>> of regional topics is likely to happen anyway in any Wikimania. When >>>>>>>>>> Wikimania is in Asia, you'll see more Asian speakers, and when it's >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> Europe, more Europeans. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Separate and successful tracks have been organised before, to the >>>>>>>>>> best of my knowledge, in three ways: 1) language tracks - which were >>>>>>>>>> separate for very practical reasons (translations). 2) >>>>>>>>>> type-of-session >>>>>>>>>> tracks - which again are very practical (different needs for a >>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>>> than for a presentation) and 3) A thematic track - but that was often >>>>>>>>>> organised like a type of side conference (with the US govt in 2012, >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> WikiSym and the hackathon). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I don't see right away why 'North American >>>>>>>>>> regional and local subjects' would require such track and even more >>>>>>>>>> why it >>>>>>>>>> would require a special committee. It will find its way in the >>>>>>>>>> programme, >>>>>>>>>> and it's not like non-Americans won't enjoy those topics per se. Why >>>>>>>>>> try to >>>>>>>>>> separate it from the rest of the programme? In general I'm no big >>>>>>>>>> fan of >>>>>>>>>> splitting up the programme into smaller pieces too much - it leaves >>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>> much opportunity for good proposals to fall between the cracks and >>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>> lost. And it gets confusing easily to the participants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... but >>>>>>>>>> I guess that'll be of little use to you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2016-07-06 7:44 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Wikimania folks (Ellie and the Montreal organizers in >>>>>>>>>>> particular), >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Those of us in the US have expressed a hope that WikiConference >>>>>>>>>>> North America 2017 can be united with Wikimania 2017 in Montreal. >>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>> would likely lead to economies of scale and reduced total cost, in >>>>>>>>>>> terms of >>>>>>>>>>> both time and money, for what would otherwise be separate >>>>>>>>>>> conferences. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to ask if WMF and the Montreal organizers would be >>>>>>>>>>> willing and able to have some tracks at that conference dedicated >>>>>>>>>>> to North >>>>>>>>>>> American regional and local subjects, perhaps coordinated by a >>>>>>>>>>> dedicated >>>>>>>>>>> North America program committee. I foresee a modest increase in >>>>>>>>>>> attendance >>>>>>>>>>> at Wikimania 2017, and decreases in personal and WMF costs, if we >>>>>>>>>>> can make >>>>>>>>>>> what would otherwise be separate conferences happen harmoniously. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and I hope to see you in Montreal next year. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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