> > *Lodewijk said: Now I *do* see an added value for a French language > track... * >
About that: There will be tracks in French? Quebec being a French speaking province and all... _____ *Béria L. de Rodríguez* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* 2016-07-06 14:33 GMT-03:00 Pharos <[email protected]>: > None! We'd want as many Europeans, Asians, Africans, and South Americans > as are interested to join the North American regional planning meetups. > > Thanks, > Pharos > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Still I wonder: what would be the kind of topics you'd like to schedule >> there that you would /not/ want non-North Americans to participate in? >> >> Lodewijk >> >> 2016-07-06 19:28 GMT+02:00 Sydney Poore <[email protected]>: >> >>> As Pharos says, my understanding also from discussions was that North >>> Americans were planning to have a pre-conference or post conference at >>> Wikimanina 2017. >>> >>> Sydney >>> >>> Sydney Poore >>> User:FloNight >>> Wiki Project Med Foundation >>> WikiWomen's User Group >>> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pharos <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, we were thinking more along the lines of an expanded preconference >>>> with greater regional opportunities, rather than a separate track during >>>> the actual Wikimania. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Pharos >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, phoebe ayers <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Or -- my favorite solution -- leaving LOTS of time in the schedule for >>>>> meetups and discussion tracks, so that all kinds of groups -- including >>>>> those interested specifically in North America-related issues (like >>>>> building a coalition of NA usergroups, planning future conferences, doing >>>>> NA-specific outreach or lobbying) can meet to discuss such things. >>>>> >>>>> We've had discussion time historically at most Wikimanias but I think >>>>> we can always leave more time in the schedule for this kind of meetup. >>>>> Additionally a preconference day could work too, when multiple thematic >>>>> tracks could be scheduled (lots of people have historically asked for >>>>> preconferences, not just the hackers -- everyone from researchers to >>>>> librarians to glam outreach coordinators to affiliates have considered it >>>>> in the past). >>>>> >>>>> (Of course, if I was in charge of the schedule I would probably get >>>>> rid of individual presentations altogether during Wikimania, and just have >>>>> panels/lightning talks/discussions. Best not to put me in charge of the >>>>> schedule! :) >>>>> >>>>> -- Phoebe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pine, >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-located events in conferences work well if the event that is >>>>>> co-located with the main conference attracts a new audience that the main >>>>>> conference doesn't usually get by default. In the case of Wikimania and >>>>>> WikiConference North America, I can see a lot of overlap based on the >>>>>> last >>>>>> couple of years' schedules. This will result in what Lodewijk is >>>>>> concerned >>>>>> about: splitting the potential audience in smaller groups while they can >>>>>> benefit from getting in one room. Also, an already hard task of >>>>>> scheduling >>>>>> events will become even harder: For example, we need to worry about not >>>>>> scheduling two GLAM events at the same time, one focusing on North >>>>>> America >>>>>> and the other a general/global event. >>>>>> >>>>>> This being said, I understand that you want to be mindful of the cost >>>>>> and time spent for these conferences. My suggestion would be for you to >>>>>> consider a 1-2 day event pre/post Wikimania focused on North America. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Leila >>>>>> >>>>>> Leila Zia >>>>>> Research Scientist >>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Lodewijk <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Pine, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for sharing your thought process. I can see why you identify >>>>>>> a topical overlap between Wikimania in North America and the North >>>>>>> American >>>>>>> WikiConference. I also see why those topics should be part of the >>>>>>> programme >>>>>>> at Wikimania - I don't expect much disagreement in that field. And >>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>> you do, it will be. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The question is, why would you want to organise it in a special >>>>>>> 'track' beyond a grouping of similar topics - which seems overly formal >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> separatist. There's an overlap between all topics that you mention, and >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> wouldn't see either why there should be a 'legal track', 'glam track' >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> Every 'regional topic' will likely also fall under Nature, Glam, >>>>>>> Technology, Law, Education or one of the other topical groupings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Having a 'track' in a formal way, is much more heavy than grouping >>>>>>> topics that are related, together. To me it would suggest that 1) North >>>>>>> Americans can't learn from projects from elsewhere (I think the >>>>>>> opposite is >>>>>>> true) and 2) Non-North Americans should not attend those presentations >>>>>>> (which I also think would be quite untrue). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The question is what you're trying to accomplish. I would be a fan >>>>>>> of rather mingling geographies, rather than separating them out, unless >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have a strong reason to do otherwise. It makes more sense to me to have >>>>>>> three presentations about education grouped together where they come >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> different regions, with different approaches than to have three >>>>>>> presentations about North America on a variety of topics grouped >>>>>>> together. >>>>>>> I would find it even more odd to have a whole track dedicated to a >>>>>>> region - >>>>>>> and it would be without precedent (I think). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2016-07-06 9:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm fine with multiple language tracks (most likely including >>>>>>>> French and Spanish). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The reason for a geographic track (in this case, North America) is >>>>>>>> that otherwise we'd be having a separate conference that served this >>>>>>>> purpose. I'm sure that many of us in North America will want to attend >>>>>>>> tracks on subjects other than geographic interest (technology, >>>>>>>> research, >>>>>>>> GLAM, STEM, law, education, outreach, community health, and governance >>>>>>>> come >>>>>>>> to mind), so there will be substantial benefit in effectively >>>>>>>> co-locating >>>>>>>> the conferences. My guess is that this can be done in a way that is a >>>>>>>> net >>>>>>>> positive for all. For example, the scholarship budget that would >>>>>>>> otherwise >>>>>>>> be requested for a separate WikiConference North America 2017 could >>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>> be used to facilitate increased attendance by North Americans in >>>>>>>> Montreal, >>>>>>>> which I think would have the benefit of increasing attendance at >>>>>>>> Wikimania, >>>>>>>> and at the same time we would eliminate the need to find a time and >>>>>>>> venue >>>>>>>> for a separate conference with separate expenses. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 23:36, "Lodewijk" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey pine, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As most people will be able to confirm, having a bigger presence >>>>>>>>> of regional topics is likely to happen anyway in any Wikimania. When >>>>>>>>> Wikimania is in Asia, you'll see more Asian speakers, and when it's in >>>>>>>>> Europe, more Europeans. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Separate and successful tracks have been organised before, to the >>>>>>>>> best of my knowledge, in three ways: 1) language tracks - which were >>>>>>>>> separate for very practical reasons (translations). 2) type-of-session >>>>>>>>> tracks - which again are very practical (different needs for a >>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>> than for a presentation) and 3) A thematic track - but that was often >>>>>>>>> organised like a type of side conference (with the US govt in 2012, >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> WikiSym and the hackathon). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To be honest, I don't see right away why 'North American regional >>>>>>>>> and local subjects' would require such track and even more why it >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> require a special committee. It will find its way in the programme, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> it's not like non-Americans won't enjoy those topics per se. Why try >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> separate it from the rest of the programme? In general I'm no big fan >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> splitting up the programme into smaller pieces too much - it leaves >>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>> much opportunity for good proposals to fall between the cracks and get >>>>>>>>> lost. And it gets confusing easily to the participants. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... but I >>>>>>>>> guess that'll be of little use to you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2016-07-06 7:44 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Wikimania folks (Ellie and the Montreal organizers in >>>>>>>>>> particular), >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Those of us in the US have expressed a hope that WikiConference >>>>>>>>>> North America 2017 can be united with Wikimania 2017 in Montreal. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> would likely lead to economies of scale and reduced total cost, in >>>>>>>>>> terms of >>>>>>>>>> both time and money, for what would otherwise be separate >>>>>>>>>> conferences. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to ask if WMF and the Montreal organizers would be >>>>>>>>>> willing and able to have some tracks at that conference dedicated to >>>>>>>>>> North >>>>>>>>>> American regional and local subjects, perhaps coordinated by a >>>>>>>>>> dedicated >>>>>>>>>> North America program committee. I foresee a modest increase in >>>>>>>>>> attendance >>>>>>>>>> at Wikimania 2017, and decreases in personal and WMF costs, if we >>>>>>>>>> can make >>>>>>>>>> what would otherwise be separate conferences happen harmoniously. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, and I hope to see you in Montreal next year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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