As Pharos says, my understanding also from discussions was that North Americans were planning to have a pre-conference or post conference at Wikimanina 2017.
Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wiki Project Med Foundation WikiWomen's User Group Facebook https://www.facebook.com/sydney.e.poore On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pharos <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, we were thinking more along the lines of an expanded preconference > with greater regional opportunities, rather than a separate track during > the actual Wikimania. > > Thanks, > Pharos > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, phoebe ayers <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Or -- my favorite solution -- leaving LOTS of time in the schedule for >> meetups and discussion tracks, so that all kinds of groups -- including >> those interested specifically in North America-related issues (like >> building a coalition of NA usergroups, planning future conferences, doing >> NA-specific outreach or lobbying) can meet to discuss such things. >> >> We've had discussion time historically at most Wikimanias but I think we >> can always leave more time in the schedule for this kind of meetup. >> Additionally a preconference day could work too, when multiple thematic >> tracks could be scheduled (lots of people have historically asked for >> preconferences, not just the hackers -- everyone from researchers to >> librarians to glam outreach coordinators to affiliates have considered it >> in the past). >> >> (Of course, if I was in charge of the schedule I would probably get rid >> of individual presentations altogether during Wikimania, and just have >> panels/lightning talks/discussions. Best not to put me in charge of the >> schedule! :) >> >> -- Phoebe >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Pine, >>> >>> Co-located events in conferences work well if the event that is >>> co-located with the main conference attracts a new audience that the main >>> conference doesn't usually get by default. In the case of Wikimania and >>> WikiConference North America, I can see a lot of overlap based on the last >>> couple of years' schedules. This will result in what Lodewijk is concerned >>> about: splitting the potential audience in smaller groups while they can >>> benefit from getting in one room. Also, an already hard task of scheduling >>> events will become even harder: For example, we need to worry about not >>> scheduling two GLAM events at the same time, one focusing on North America >>> and the other a general/global event. >>> >>> This being said, I understand that you want to be mindful of the cost >>> and time spent for these conferences. My suggestion would be for you to >>> consider a 1-2 day event pre/post Wikimania focused on North America. >>> >>> Best, >>> Leila >>> >>> Leila Zia >>> Research Scientist >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Lodewijk <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Pine, >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing your thought process. I can see why you identify a >>>> topical overlap between Wikimania in North America and the North American >>>> WikiConference. I also see why those topics should be part of the programme >>>> at Wikimania - I don't expect much disagreement in that field. And whatever >>>> you do, it will be. >>>> >>>> The question is, why would you want to organise it in a special 'track' >>>> beyond a grouping of similar topics - which seems overly formal and >>>> separatist. There's an overlap between all topics that you mention, and I >>>> wouldn't see either why there should be a 'legal track', 'glam track' etc. >>>> Every 'regional topic' will likely also fall under Nature, Glam, >>>> Technology, Law, Education or one of the other topical groupings. >>>> >>>> Having a 'track' in a formal way, is much more heavy than grouping >>>> topics that are related, together. To me it would suggest that 1) North >>>> Americans can't learn from projects from elsewhere (I think the opposite is >>>> true) and 2) Non-North Americans should not attend those presentations >>>> (which I also think would be quite untrue). >>>> >>>> The question is what you're trying to accomplish. I would be a fan of >>>> rather mingling geographies, rather than separating them out, unless you >>>> have a strong reason to do otherwise. It makes more sense to me to have >>>> three presentations about education grouped together where they come from >>>> different regions, with different approaches than to have three >>>> presentations about North America on a variety of topics grouped together. >>>> I would find it even more odd to have a whole track dedicated to a region - >>>> and it would be without precedent (I think). >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Lodewijk >>>> >>>> 2016-07-06 9:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> I'm fine with multiple language tracks (most likely including French >>>>> and Spanish). >>>>> >>>>> The reason for a geographic track (in this case, North America) is >>>>> that otherwise we'd be having a separate conference that served this >>>>> purpose. I'm sure that many of us in North America will want to attend >>>>> tracks on subjects other than geographic interest (technology, research, >>>>> GLAM, STEM, law, education, outreach, community health, and governance >>>>> come >>>>> to mind), so there will be substantial benefit in effectively co-locating >>>>> the conferences. My guess is that this can be done in a way that is a net >>>>> positive for all. For example, the scholarship budget that would otherwise >>>>> be requested for a separate WikiConference North America 2017 could >>>>> instead >>>>> be used to facilitate increased attendance by North Americans in Montreal, >>>>> which I think would have the benefit of increasing attendance at >>>>> Wikimania, >>>>> and at the same time we would eliminate the need to find a time and venue >>>>> for a separate conference with separate expenses. >>>>> >>>>> Pine >>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 23:36, "Lodewijk" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey pine, >>>>>> >>>>>> As most people will be able to confirm, having a bigger presence of >>>>>> regional topics is likely to happen anyway in any Wikimania. When >>>>>> Wikimania >>>>>> is in Asia, you'll see more Asian speakers, and when it's in Europe, more >>>>>> Europeans. >>>>>> >>>>>> Separate and successful tracks have been organised before, to the >>>>>> best of my knowledge, in three ways: 1) language tracks - which were >>>>>> separate for very practical reasons (translations). 2) type-of-session >>>>>> tracks - which again are very practical (different needs for a discussion >>>>>> than for a presentation) and 3) A thematic track - but that was often >>>>>> organised like a type of side conference (with the US govt in 2012, with >>>>>> WikiSym and the hackathon). >>>>>> >>>>>> To be honest, I don't see right away why 'North American regional >>>>>> and local subjects' would require such track and even more why it would >>>>>> require a special committee. It will find its way in the programme, and >>>>>> it's not like non-Americans won't enjoy those topics per se. Why try to >>>>>> separate it from the rest of the programme? In general I'm no big fan of >>>>>> splitting up the programme into smaller pieces too much - it leaves too >>>>>> much opportunity for good proposals to fall between the cracks and get >>>>>> lost. And it gets confusing easily to the participants. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I *do* see an added value for a French language track... but I >>>>>> guess that'll be of little use to you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Lodewijk >>>>>> >>>>>> 2016-07-06 7:44 GMT+02:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Wikimania folks (Ellie and the Montreal organizers in particular), >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Those of us in the US have expressed a hope that WikiConference >>>>>>> North America 2017 can be united with Wikimania 2017 in Montreal. This >>>>>>> would likely lead to economies of scale and reduced total cost, in >>>>>>> terms of >>>>>>> both time and money, for what would otherwise be separate conferences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to ask if WMF and the Montreal organizers would be >>>>>>> willing and able to have some tracks at that conference dedicated to >>>>>>> North >>>>>>> American regional and local subjects, perhaps coordinated by a dedicated >>>>>>> North America program committee. I foresee a modest increase in >>>>>>> attendance >>>>>>> at Wikimania 2017, and decreases in personal and WMF costs, if we can >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> what would otherwise be separate conferences happen harmoniously. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, and I hope to see you in Montreal next year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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