Exactly. I have not planned to attend PyCon because it has limited coverage of topics and none of the topics covered hit my "hot" button. When you expand the diversity of coverage, you hit more hot buttons in more people and attendance goes up. They might as well re-label this DjangoCon.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > I agree. For example they offer basically 3 tutorials on Django > (intro, advanced, pinax) and one on Repoze (has anybody tried it?) but > rejected tutorial proposals for both web2py and TG. > > I find it odd because I think they should try to offer broader > coverage in order to attract more people. > > web2py still runs the registration software created with web2py. Yarko > is taking care of that and doing an impressive work. > > Massimo > > On Jan 15, 11:48 am, mikech <mp.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Still, I notice that the registration form is still web2py. I am > > disappointed in the diversity of topics in relation to Web > > Frameworks. One would think > > there is only Django. I look at these conferences as an opportunity > > to see many different approaches to the same issues, and thus get > > fresh perspectives > > on how they can be done. Competing frameworks can only be good for > > the Python world. > > > > On Jan 15, 9:16 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > > > > > LOL. > > > > > I do understand them. They have invested time and money in Django and > > > think web2py is stealing users from them. Instead I think the future > > > of Django and web2py is very much correlated because, although in > > > competition, they have lots of similarities and their fate is very > > > much tied to Python's fate. web2py was very much inspired by Django in > > > the early days even if it grew to be different. > > > > > People have complained a lot about me posting technical comparisons, > > > yet I think it is my job to emphasize what web2py does better than > > > competing projects (Django being one of them) although, of course my > > > opinion is biased by definition. > > > > > I do think Django has a better "admin" interface (to be compared with > > > web2py "appadmin", not to web2py "admin", since Django does not have > > > the equivalent of out admin). Apart for this I have not seen any > > > statement about features of Django that web2py does not have or that > > > are superior to what web2py's. People mostly post negative comments > > > without any technical example or explanation. It should be noted that > > > I do not think those negative comments come from Django developers > > > (who I know and admire and would not do it), but mostly from the same > > > few people. > > > > > In web2py we adopted some design decision that are unique (exec over > > > import, convention over configuration to avoid repetition of code). > > > > > Massimo > > > > > On Jan 15, 10:45 am, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote: > > > > > > I don't understand it, but for some reason django users really > dislike > > > > web2py, and attack it almost like we're the Christians of the python > world. > > > > > > -Thadeus > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:35 AM, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> > wrote: > > > > > I participated in the review process. The process is fair and the > > > > > people are smart but the rules are the problem. > > > > > > > Say for example 51% of reviewers are pro A (against B) and 49% are > pro > > > > > B (against A). If everybody votes on each of 100 items where each > item > > > > > can be associated to A or B uniquely, all items associated to A > will > > > > > pass, but no item associated to B will. > > > > > > > Moreover people tend to have a bias vs "good speakers" rather vs > good > > > > > content. "good speakers" are defines as those people that the > > > > > reviewers have heard talk already (aka people who previously spoke > at > > > > > PyCon). > > > > > > > I am editor of a journal and I have been reviewer for others. In no > > > > > place but PyCon reviewers can choose what to review. Usually each > talk/ > > > > > paper is randomly assigned to a fixed number (3-4) reviewers. This > > > > > guarantees more or less that the proportion of accepted > talks/papers > > > > > are similar to the proportions of preferences of the reviewers. > > > > > At PyCon people can see all talk proposal and can choose to vote > pro/ > > > > > against. > > > > > > > All web2py have been rejected to 3 years now. > > > > > > > Technically, at PyCon 2010, I am on a panel discussion on Forms but > I > > > > > will not go because 5 minutes of air time does not justify the > costs. > > > > > Moreover I have a conference in India the week after where I am > giving > > > > > a talk and I had to make a choice. > > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 12:32 am, mikech <mp.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Wow very Django heavy. That's disappointing. > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 10:27 pm, mikech <mp.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do they ever give reasons for the talks being rejected? Just > curious. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 9:28 pm, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I doubt I will be able to attend but I do not know yet for > sure. > > > > > > > > > > Massimo > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 11:08 pm, Anand Vaidya <anandvaidya...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > PyCon Asia Pacific is happening soon in Singapore. > > > > >http://apac.pycon.org > > > > > > > > > > > Massimo, > > > > > > > > > > > I came to know yesterday that you are on the Programme > Team. So, > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you planning to come down to SG in June? Submitting any > papers? > > > > >http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/organizing-committee-1 > > > > > > > > > > > Yesterday at the PUGS, there was a call for Tutorials or > Papers. I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > planning to propose a tutorial on Web2Py. Appreciate any > insghts > > > > > > > > > before I commit to the organizers or PyCon-APAC > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Anand > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 15, 9:33 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You probably will not see that at pycon. All web2py talks > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 13, 10:11 pm, Jeff Bauer <jeffru...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > If work will let up long enough, I hope to attend ... > the > > > > > > > > > > > reason I couldn't take advantage of pre-registration > discount. > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming I'll be there (60%+), I'd like to see what > other > > > > > > > > > > > people are doing with web2py. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 01/12/2010 06:20 PM, mdipierro wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anybody going to PyCon? > > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > > "web2py-users" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<web2py%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > <web2py%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com<web2py%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > . > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "web2py-users" group. > To post to this group, send email to web...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<web2py%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en. > > > >--
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