>>The problem is that this mailing list has become the main reference point. I think this group is a great place to ask a question but a terrible reference considering that searches don't work and nothing is categorized (i.e. search for 'cookbook tutorial'). A proper forum could be a true knowledge base. >>Moving the discussion somewhere else now will cause confusion There has to be a way to transfer the messages. How are they doing it here? http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.web2py >>Moreover having google ake care of our data is a big plus. I agree, that's why it should be ported to GAE. >>I doubt anybody would want to take on this responsibility >>and I do not want to give anybody this responsibility. If it is decided that this is a good long term move for web2py, I would be glad to do the discovery work of finding obstacles with porting to GAE, bugfixes, necessary feature enhancements, etc. The goal should be to end up with a better, more organized system that includes all current messages in this group, works with current user accounts, runs on GAE and requires less maintenance. Perhaps starting with web2py-developers group (as Richard suggested) would be the place to start.
Here are the things I think we have to gain by switching to pyForum: 1) Working search - google groups search is currently not working properly. 2) Categorization - breaking the topics into categories will create a better reference. 3) Control - we will not be bound to google's feature set or limitations (i.e. notifications and text formatting are weak IMO on google groups). 4) Trust - using products developed in web2py engenders a sense of internal trust in the framework. On Aug 31, 9:45 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: > I think Pyforum si excellent we should find some use for it in our > community. The problem is that this mailing list has become the main > reference point. Moving the discussion somewhere else now will cause > confusion. Moreover having google ake care of our data is a big plus. > If this data were to get lost it would be a big loss for this > community. I doubt anybody would want to take on this responsibility > and I do not want to give anybody this responsibility. > > Massimo > > On Aug 31, 9:39 am, Julio <ju...@techfuel.net> wrote: > > > > > Yes, pyforum is (still) tied up to MySQL, let me correct that, it is > > tied up to any RDBMS (MySQL, Postgres and possibly MSSQL), the reason > > is only one single query (out of the literally dozens) that I need to > > port to the DAL, a "nasty" query in a sense of that it gives you lots > > of information in one single call (it generates the entire main page > > in a second or less). > > > As for the other question that popped up before, yes, google, openId > > is on the plate. > > > The two items I just mentioned are at the top of my list. > > > Thanks, > > > Julio > > > On Aug 30, 6:05 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > also, is pyforms still tied to MySQL? It would be good to update for > > > DAL usage (e.g. db independent), and would be interesting to see it > > > running on GAE. > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Yarko Tymciurak<yark...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > better or worse, the best place for information is where people use > > > > it, and questions and answers accumulate (e.g. content trumps function > > > > to a large degree). Ultimately, people will go where they can find > > > > answers (either through replies or searching). In general, even the > > > > forums are google searchable, so the forums themselves would have to > > > > be searched / searchable by google indexing (how does work for > > > > database-stored content?) > > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM, JorgeR<jorgeh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> I dont like to have a clugged email box. So, for instance, I dont > > > >> receive email updates from this group, and from no other, really. > > > > >> A forum is better organized given that it has sub forums and the > > > >> threads are more easy to search-find. > > > > >> Google groups has been ok when the user base is still a newborn. > > > > >> But we must prepare for bigtime, and the best way is a forum. > > > > >> On Aug 30, 7:25 pm, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> I really like pyforum and consider it the best available web2py app > > > >>> out there. > > > > >>> However Google Groups has worked well - no downtime, low amount of > > > >>> spam, good search support, email updates, etc. (It is a much better > > > >>> system than Yahoo Groups.) > > > >>> Is pyforum ready for all that? > > > >>> And I like with Google Groups that I can use my existing Google > > > >>> account and not have to remember another password. Are there plans to > > > >>> add OpenID support to pyforum? > > > > >>> Also what would be done about the discussions created until now? Could > > > >>> they be exported? Because I personally use this group more for > > > >>> searching old threads with the same problem as me than asking new > > > >>> questions. > > > > >>> If people are keen on pyforum perhaps the new python-developers > > > >>> mailing list could try it first. > > > > >>> Richard > > > > >>> On Aug 30, 6:18 am, Julio <ju...@techfuel.net> wrote: > > > > >>> > I am up for it :) > > > > >>> > I do believe pyforum is ready for prime time (though for obvious > > > >>> > reasons I am a bit biased), Being in this wonderful group I kinda > > > >>> > know > > > >>> > who is who in a way, so I'd be happy to give admin to anyone here > > > >>> > that > > > >>> > requires it, just so you get a "feel" of the administrative area of > > > >>> > pyForum, something few have been able to experience. > > > > >>> > The way I see it, pyForum is a good "start" and it's been stable > > > >>> > since > > > >>> > the 1.x release, another interesting thing about it is that the > > > >>> > server > > > >>> > is physically located in Chicago IL (though I live in Washington > > > >>> > (state)). > > > > >>> > pyForum has some nifty things that are handled in the back-end, such > > > >>> > as batch notification emails ran via cron job, auto-removal of > > > >>> > out-of- > > > >>> > date administrator requests, also has a PM Messaging system for > > > >>> > member- > > > >>> > to-member communications, complete user management and system > > > >>> > configuration TTW, I do still think though, I need a (new) > > > >>> > logo/title > > > >>> > for the site, as I think my strengths are more in the back-end > > > >>> > process > > > >>> > rather than UI. > > > > >>> > Even if Massimo/Yarko want to move it to their own servers I am also > > > >>> > fine with that., as with all software there are several "gotchas" > > > >>> > (I'd > > > >>> > like to thing of them as "paradigms" or "patterns" :) ) that one > > > >>> > need > > > >>> > to understand to implement it properly, but it is still an easy > > > >>> > system > > > >>> > to install. > > > > >>> > Cheers, > > > > >>> > Julio > > > > >>> > On Aug 29, 11:51 am, "mr.freeze" <nat...@freezable.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > Also, I think a web framework that eats it's own dog food is more > > > >>> > > convincing. > > > > >>> > > On Aug 29, 1:34 pm, "mr.freeze" <nat...@freezable.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > Whoops! I was looking at the topic count but I still think > > > >>> > > > google > > > >>> > > > groups suck. It seems like the search doesn't go back very far > > > >>> > > > and > > > >>> > > > nothing is categorized so it's not a good reference. > > > > >>> > > > On Aug 29, 12:04 pm, Jonathan Lundell <jlund...@pobox.com> > > > >>> > > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:33 AM, mr.freeze wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > > Google is eating our messages. It shows only 4625 > > > >>> > > > > > messages. Massimo > > > >>> > > > > > does that many in a week :) web2py should use pyforum > > > >>> > > > > > instead and > > > >>> > > > > > take back control! > > > > >>> > > > > Are you sure? When I looked just now > > > >>> > > > > <http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en > > > >>> > > > > >, it had 29347 messages. I haven't noticed any dropped > > > >>> > > > > messages; I > > > >>> > > > > wonder if perhaps somebody's spam filter isn't doing the > > > >>> > > > > eating (in > > > >>> > > > > which case switching pyforum isn't going to help).- Hide > > > >>> > > > > quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
