If anything - to address Massimo's concerns, a starting point would be to have pyform up on GAE - that would take care of the "responsibility for the data" part of his concern.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Yarko Tymciurak<yark...@gmail.com> wrote: > as Massimo already pointed out, it's not likely to happen.... > > Google has some sort of forum / organization (see > http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Groups-Guide?hl=en) > We can inquire more about this; > > We can post reports and try to help the index / search problem so that > it is fixed > > (I, for one, am not too terribly hit by this as I get email from > web2py groups, and search w/in my gmail works fine, and I have plenty > of room for it all). > > - Yarko > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:51 PM, JorgeR<jorgeh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> good post mr freeze >> >> all 4 points you mentioned are more than enough reason to migrate, >> IMHO. >> >> On Aug 31, 11:44 am, "mr.freeze" <nat...@freezable.com> wrote: >>> >>The problem is that this mailing list has become the main reference point. >>> >>> I think this group is a great place to ask a question but a terrible >>> reference considering that searches don't work and nothing is >>> categorized (i.e. search for 'cookbook tutorial'). A proper forum >>> could be a true knowledge base.>>Moving the discussion somewhere else now >>> will cause confusion >>> >>> There has to be a way to transfer the messages. How are they doing it >>> here? http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.web2py>>Moreover having >>> google ake care of our data is a big plus. >>> >>> I agree, that's why it should be ported to GAE.>>I doubt anybody would want >>> to take on this responsibility >>> >>and I do not want to give anybody this responsibility. >>> >>> If it is decided that this is a good long term move for web2py, I >>> would be glad to do the discovery work of finding obstacles with >>> porting to GAE, bugfixes, necessary feature enhancements, etc. The >>> goal should be to end up with a better, more organized system that >>> includes all current messages in this group, works with current user >>> accounts, runs on GAE and requires less maintenance. Perhaps starting >>> with web2py-developers group (as Richard suggested) would be the place >>> to start. >>> >>> Here are the things I think we have to gain by switching to pyForum: >>> >>> 1) Working search - google groups search is currently not working >>> properly. >>> 2) Categorization - breaking the topics into categories will create a >>> better reference. >>> 3) Control - we will not be bound to google's feature set or >>> limitations (i.e. notifications and text formatting are weak IMO on >>> google groups). >>> 4) Trust - using products developed in web2py engenders a sense of >>> internal trust in the framework. >>> >>> On Aug 31, 9:45 am, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote: >>> >>> > I think Pyforum si excellent we should find some use for it in our >>> > community. The problem is that this mailing list has become the main >>> > reference point. Moving the discussion somewhere else now will cause >>> > confusion. Moreover having google ake care of our data is a big plus. >>> > If this data were to get lost it would be a big loss for this >>> > community. I doubt anybody would want to take on this responsibility >>> > and I do not want to give anybody this responsibility. >>> >>> > Massimo >>> >>> > On Aug 31, 9:39 am, Julio <ju...@techfuel.net> wrote: >>> >>> > > Yes, pyforum is (still) tied up to MySQL, let me correct that, it is >>> > > tied up to any RDBMS (MySQL, Postgres and possibly MSSQL), the reason >>> > > is only one single query (out of the literally dozens) that I need to >>> > > port to the DAL, a "nasty" query in a sense of that it gives you lots >>> > > of information in one single call (it generates the entire main page >>> > > in a second or less). >>> >>> > > As for the other question that popped up before, yes, google, openId >>> > > is on the plate. >>> >>> > > The two items I just mentioned are at the top of my list. >>> >>> > > Thanks, >>> >>> > > Julio >>> >>> > > On Aug 30, 6:05 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > > > also, is pyforms still tied to MySQL? It would be good to update for >>> > > > DAL usage (e.g. db independent), and would be interesting to see it >>> > > > running on GAE. >>> >>> > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Yarko Tymciurak<yark...@gmail.com> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > > > better or worse, the best place for information is where people use >>> > > > > it, and questions and answers accumulate (e.g. content trumps >>> > > > > function >>> > > > > to a large degree). Ultimately, people will go where they can find >>> > > > > answers (either through replies or searching). In general, even the >>> > > > > forums are google searchable, so the forums themselves would have to >>> > > > > be searched / searchable by google indexing (how does work for >>> > > > > database-stored content?) >>> >>> > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:44 PM, JorgeR<jorgeh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > > > >> I dont like to have a clugged email box. So, for instance, I dont >>> > > > >> receive email updates from this group, and from no other, really. >>> >>> > > > >> A forum is better organized given that it has sub forums and the >>> > > > >> threads are more easy to search-find. >>> >>> > > > >> Google groups has been ok when the user base is still a newborn. >>> >>> > > > >> But we must prepare for bigtime, and the best way is a forum. >>> >>> > > > >> On Aug 30, 7:25 pm, Richard <richar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> I really like pyforum and consider it the best available web2py >>> > > > >>> app >>> > > > >>> out there. >>> >>> > > > >>> However Google Groups has worked well - no downtime, low amount of >>> > > > >>> spam, good search support, email updates, etc. (It is a much >>> > > > >>> better >>> > > > >>> system than Yahoo Groups.) >>> > > > >>> Is pyforum ready for all that? >>> > > > >>> And I like with Google Groups that I can use my existing Google >>> > > > >>> account and not have to remember another password. Are there >>> > > > >>> plans to >>> > > > >>> add OpenID support to pyforum? >>> >>> > > > >>> Also what would be done about the discussions created until now? >>> > > > >>> Could >>> > > > >>> they be exported? Because I personally use this group more for >>> > > > >>> searching old threads with the same problem as me than asking new >>> > > > >>> questions. >>> >>> > > > >>> If people are keen on pyforum perhaps the new python-developers >>> > > > >>> mailing list could try it first. >>> >>> > > > >>> Richard >>> >>> > > > >>> On Aug 30, 6:18 am, Julio <ju...@techfuel.net> wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>> > I am up for it :) >>> >>> > > > >>> > I do believe pyforum is ready for prime time (though for obvious >>> > > > >>> > reasons I am a bit biased), Being in this wonderful group I >>> > > > >>> > kinda know >>> > > > >>> > who is who in a way, so I'd be happy to give admin to anyone >>> > > > >>> > here that >>> > > > >>> > requires it, just so you get a "feel" of the administrative >>> > > > >>> > area of >>> > > > >>> > pyForum, something few have been able to experience. >>> >>> > > > >>> > The way I see it, pyForum is a good "start" and it's been >>> > > > >>> > stable since >>> > > > >>> > the 1.x release, another interesting thing about it is that the >>> > > > >>> > server >>> > > > >>> > is physically located in Chicago IL (though I live in Washington >>> > > > >>> > (state)). >>> >>> > > > >>> > pyForum has some nifty things that are handled in the back-end, >>> > > > >>> > such >>> > > > >>> > as batch notification emails ran via cron job, auto-removal of >>> > > > >>> > out-of- >>> > > > >>> > date administrator requests, also has a PM Messaging system for >>> > > > >>> > member- >>> > > > >>> > to-member communications, complete user management and system >>> > > > >>> > configuration TTW, I do still think though, I need a (new) >>> > > > >>> > logo/title >>> > > > >>> > for the site, as I think my strengths are more in the back-end >>> > > > >>> > process >>> > > > >>> > rather than UI. >>> >>> > > > >>> > Even if Massimo/Yarko want to move it to their own servers I am >>> > > > >>> > also >>> > > > >>> > fine with that., as with all software there are several >>> > > > >>> > "gotchas" (I'd >>> > > > >>> > like to thing of them as "paradigms" or "patterns" :) ) that >>> > > > >>> > one need >>> > > > >>> > to understand to implement it properly, but it is still an easy >>> > > > >>> > system >>> > > > >>> > to install. >>> >>> > > > >>> > Cheers, >>> >>> > > > >>> > Julio >>> >>> > > > >>> > On Aug 29, 11:51 am, "mr.freeze" <nat...@freezable.com> wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>> > > Also, I think a web framework that eats it's own dog food is >>> > > > >>> > > more >>> > > > >>> > > convincing. >>> >>> > > > >>> > > On Aug 29, 1:34 pm, "mr.freeze" <nat...@freezable.com> wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>> > > > Whoops! I was looking at the topic count but I still think >>> > > > >>> > > > google >>> > > > >>> > > > groups suck. It seems like the search doesn't go back very >>> > > > >>> > > > far and >>> > > > >>> > > > nothing is categorized so it's not a good reference. >>> >>> > > > >>> > > > On Aug 29, 12:04 pm, Jonathan Lundell <jlund...@pobox.com> >>> > > > >>> > > > wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>> > > > > On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:33 AM, mr.freeze wrote: >>> >>> > > > >>> > > > > > Google is eating our messages. It shows only 4625 >>> > > > >>> > > > > > messages. Massimo >>> > > > >>> > > > > > does that many in a week :) web2py should use pyforum >>> > > > >>> > > > > > instead and >>> > > > >>> > > > > > take back control! >>> >>> > > > >>> > > > > Are you sure? When I looked just now >>> > > > >>> > > > > <http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en >>> > > > >>> > > > > >, it had 29347 messages. I haven't noticed any dropped >>> > > > >>> > > > > messages; I >>> > > > >>> > > > > wonder if perhaps somebody's spam filter isn't doing the >>> > > > >>> > > > > eating (in >>> > > > >>> > > > > which case switching pyforum isn't going to help).- Hide >>> > > > >>> > > > > quoted text - >>> >>> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
