I also think for linux sites (ubuntu, fedora, centos, etc.)  you would use
the yum / apt-get / rpm installation methods in preference to
easy_install...
I think this - and particularly this on shared hosts - might be a reason to
perhaps _not_ do this (unless we supply this only for mac and pc)

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:22 PM, mdipierro <mdipie...@cs.depaul.edu> wrote:

>
> I think what we really need is package easy_install with web2py.
>
> If your app needs PIL, it will check if it is there else call
> easy_install. It would work with every python module.
>
> If anybody could send me a patch or an example to make this work
> programmatically I will include it.
>
> Massimo
>
> On Mar 1, 3:08 pm, Greg Fuller <gregf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It may benefit from a little glue code since there are different
> > binaries for different platforms.  To check for environment, import
> > as, or try/except, etc.  But maybe not - I could be making it more
> > complex than it needs to be.  I do that sometimes.
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2:58 pm, Pedro <pedro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I am not sure what point is discussed in here. What's the advantage of
> > > including it in web2py if you can simply drop it in the modules
> > > folder?
> >
> > > On Mar 1, 9:52 pm, Greg Fuller <gregf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > You're right.  I don't see this for production.  But it would be nice
> > > > to distribute a  "fully" self contained trial version of an app for
> > > > non-python-literate, non-developer,  potential app users,  to take
> for
> > > > a spin on localhost. At any rate, it's something I'll explore on my
> > > > own.
> >
> > > > On Mar 1, 2:43 pm, Jason Brower <encomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > I just used pil today, and I don't think it's a good idea.  I think
> if
> > > > > we keep it as small as possible we can really make a powerful
> system.
> > > > > A plugin system would be nice for non python OS's for example mac
> and
> > > > > windows, it would be easier to use the import tools in python to
> get
> > > > > PIL, for example.  But in linux distros almost always have packages
> to
> > > > > handle this stuff.  You may get an uproar if you skipped the
> distros way
> > > > > of installing new python libraries.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Jason
> >
> > > > > On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 12:30 -0800, Greg Fuller wrote:
> > > > > > True enough.  Could probably do a plugin which would  test for
> the
> > > > > > environment, import as, etc.  Then the work could still be shared
> > > > > > without loading down the base.
> >
> > > > > > But darnit, I was hoping all 842 members would raise their voices
> in
> > > > > > unison for this idea.  :)
> >
> > > > > > --greg--
> >
> > > > > > On Mar 1, 2:15 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > since YOU can package your distribution for a target
> environment (and are
> > > > > > > free to include what additional libraries your application for
> your client
> > > > > > > needs), it seems to me no reason to load down a base
> distribution with other
> > > > > > > than what is always used, and base development support.
> >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Greg Fuller <
> gregf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > I've noticed a good number, and probably a sizable
> percentage,  of
> > > > > > > > web2py applications are using PIL.  Same with Django.   I'm
> not sure
> > > > > > > > that's true of NumPy or any other external app.  But I do see
> the
> > > > > > > > point.
> >
> > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 1:54 pm, Markus Gritsch <m.grit...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Greg Fuller <
> gregf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > IMHO, I would be a great benefit to web2py to have PIL
> included if it
> > > > > > > > > > could be done with good success rate - not even 100%.
>  Maybe it could
> > > > > > > > > > initially be included as an "experimental" capability or
> something.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Massimo is right with his arguments agaimst inclusion.  The
> next would
> > > > > > > > > come and would like to have NumPy or some other big Package
> included.
> > > > > > > > > Let's keep the binary package reasonably small, and not
> create a
> > > > > > > > > monster which would be hard to maintain.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Markus
> >
>

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