Dear All; I cannot participate in this thread yet , i am very excited about this but ahh , so busy . I will b contributing my ideas soon!
Regards, Phyo Arkar Lwin *Nix Solutions. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:58 PM, achipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Massimo, all that can still fit into the foundation approach, in fact, > I don't really see (apart from focus and/or emphasis) how is it > different from what, say, OSGEO does. Apart from all the tech and > managing aspect, it also has a consulting facet, see > http://www.osgeo.org/search_profile > The point is that it's just called a foundation as it's not profit > oriented but rather a common ground and safe haven for all interested > parties. You can call the same thing an association, but I believe > there might be some legal implications with regard to what category > you go into. > > On Nov 16, 7:55 am, mdipierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Our model will be different. > > that is email is asking you to work for free in the hope a future > > compensation. I would not ask anybody that. > > > > I am thinking of an association. You go and find your own consulting > > jobs. You get paid and keep all the money. The association helps in > > legal issues by sharing copies of previous contracts among members. It > > help you by giving you a certification. It helps you by giving > > documents about good practice that you can share with your clients. It > > helps you answer questions from your clients like "who maintains this > > if you get hit by a track" or "how many people work for your company" > > or "what is your previous experience". The association gives you a web > > presence. It helps network with other members to bid for bigger jobs. > > It helps look very professional! The Association will not ask you any > > money but it will ask you to sign an ethics code and will kick you out > > if you do not abide. Members will write the ethics code and the > > policies and procedures. If the association finds a job for you, the > > association will keep a percentage. The test to get in will not be > > easy but the association will provide a study guide. > > > > These are all preliminary ideas since I am hoping to hear more > > comments and opinions about it. > > > > Massimo > > > > On Nov 15, 6:30 pm, Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Recently I got an email from a Django project who were following this > > > kind of profit sharing model, but it sounded too pie in the sky so I > > > backed off: > > > """ > > > Hello, > > > > > You get this email because I felt that you might be a good Python > > > developer and maybe interested in working with us on a project. > > > > > This is the project: > http://www.slideshare.net/eikepost/presentation-potencio-presentation > > > It is a Django based project. We work on the project in a distributed > > > open source manner. Each programmer contributes 20 - 30 hours each > > > week. Programmers are spread out in Italy, Spain, UK and India. We > > > chat via skype and basecamp. The project is advancing a little slowly > > > so we are looking to get one or more programmer on the team. So if you > > > are not only agood but an excellent developer, who is a tam player, > > > motivated, willing to take responsibility and available for at least > > > 25 hours then probably would be interested in including you on the > > > team. > > > > > We also aim to set up an office and unite once we get financing. The > > > server costs of the project are being born by me currently but there > > > is no other expense. It is a commercial project in the sense that the > > > goal is to get financing and eventually make profit or sell the > > > project. We currently have 250,000 registered members and a certain > > > percentage of that in Australia > > > > > Thus we think we will get financing very soon. The company is owned by > > > all team members in relation to their contribution. Thus if for > > > example you contribute 25% of the total effort then you own 25%. In > > > other words we determine ownership by individual contribution/total > > > contribution. So for example of Adrian for example work 20 hours and > > > is paid $3000 every month in shares as individual contribution and > > > total contribution is $15,000 then he gets 1/5 that months. > > > > > Eike > > > """ > > > > > On Nov 16, 11:29 am, Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > this is all fascinating Massimo. > > > > > > So membership will be based on passing a technical quiz. Do you think > > > > this a sufficient barrier to entry to ensure quality in the > community? > > > > > > If this community successfully bid for a project, how would they > split > > > > revenue? Proportion of hours worked / features implemented? > > > > > > Baron > > > > > > On Nov 16, 12:58 am, cesmiga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Massimo, > > > > > > > I look forward to hearing more about this. The idea is very > exciting. > > > > > > > Christopher > > > > > > > mdipierro wrote: > > > > > > Actually I was thinking about something similar but also > different. > > > > > > > > I want to create an association of users, not a foundation. The > > > > > > purpose of the association would be: > > > > > > > > 1) promote the use of free software in general (not just web2py) > > > > > > 2) select the best open software that works with web2py > (cherokee, > > > > > > linux, postgresql, etc.) > > > > > > 3) certify members as experts in web2py and in those other > software > > > > > > technologies selected by the members > > > > > > 4) provide a portal where members (and member companies) can host > > > > > > their profile and be contacted > > > > > > 5) help members work together to compete with large consulting > > > > > > companies for jobs. > > > > > > 6) help members with legal issues when dealing with clients > > > > > > 7) maintain a database of projects completed by the members and > > > > > > accessible to members only > > > > > > > > I want us to compete with this: > > > > > > > > > http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/gbs/bus/html/bcs_index.html > > > > > > > > not with Plone or other small Python projects. > > > > > > > > Think about it. There are more than 600 people on this list, > growing > > > > > > exponentially. We already distributed all over the world. We are > all > > > > > > very skilled people. We are unified by the love for the same > > > > > > technologies. We do have a better product than the competition. > We > > > > > > only need more organization. Why do we need an employer? In > > > > > > manufacturing there is a need for capital in order to buy the > "means > > > > > > of production". Thus investors provide capital and get shares of > the > > > > > > revenue in return. We do not need "means of production", we have > > > > > > laptops, we do not need an office, we do not need investments, > and we > > > > > > do not need to share our profit. We just need to be recognized as > > > > > > leaders in our field and attract clients. I think we can do that. > > > > > > > > Who is in? > > > > > > > > There are legal issues to be resolved. The web site will be up > soon > > > > > > for people to sign up, take a quiz, and become members. > > > > > > > > Massimo > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
