Right now I think Wave should stay at Apache (though people are welcome to try to convince me otherwise).
I think having the Apache brand could be a major advantage in the future, and we should not throw that away. I also especially agree with Yuri's point - no one is stopping people from forking the GitHub mirror (or, for that matter, creating a separate GitHub project for their own wave implementation). —Zachary Yaro On 10 December 2013 15:10, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: > As I'm sure you can imagine, I've been thinking about this quite a bit > recently. If a project still has some life (and Wave does), really the > only other thing it needs to stay in the incubator is engaged mentors. > The mentors are the link between the podling and the ASF. > > For me, this vote is to gauge where the community wants to be. The last > thing I want to do is mentor a group of folks that actually want to be > elsewhere. If the collective decision (principally of the > committers/PPMC members) is to stay, then I'm happy to stay around and > see where we can take this project. > > Upayavira > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 08:03 PM, Pratik Paranjape wrote: > > How (or for how long) is this a choice? If WAIB does not show > > improvement > > in the amount of activity, a mentor will be asking same question > > again...whether Wave is a suitable project for the incubator. The > > discussion started because Christian raised this question in the first > > place. Based on past few months statistics, any significant improvement > > in > > activity will be a dramatic outcome and seems unlikely at this point. > > > > On the other hand, I think Wave will survive even through long periods of > > inactivity as long as intellectual property stays openly accessible under > > permissible enough open source license. Moving away from Apache may > > actually breath some new direction. Unless we can guarantee significant > > activity improvemnent, we are just postponing the issue until next month. > > > > Considering the questions of trademarks, I think it's going to be easy if > > whoever wants to implement new ideas makes a fork and takes it further. > > Or > > uses the ideas and completely redesign everything like Joseph is planning > > . > > In any case I think github can generate more activity, even if not as > > WAIB. > > What happens to trademarks of abandoned Incubator projects? > > On 11 Dec 2013 01:09, "Joseph Gentle" <jose...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm actually going to abstain. > > > > > > As you know, I want to run a kickstarter to create a new iteration of > > > wave. I won't reuse the current codebase, and I won't place the new > > > project with the ASF. This decision should be made by people who want > > > to keep working with the current code. > > > > > > -J > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Hill <r...@zndx.org> wrote: > > > > I vote stay, for what it's worth. > > > > > > > > I would have an easier time funding one or more developers if I know > the > > > > resulting code would eventually reside under the Apache umbrella. > Best of > > > > luck either way though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > >> It seems to me that the time has come to make a decision here, and > for > > > >> now, I'm going to ask that we consider just one simple question: > > > >> > > > >> * Should Wave stay within Apache, or leave. > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to ask that we postpone any discussion about either option > > > >> that isn't required to make the decision, until the vote is > complete. If > > > >> discussion is to occur, please move it to a separate thread, to > keep the > > > >> [VOTE] thread clean. > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to suggest that this vote runs for 72hrs, and that we aim > for > > > >> consensus. Should anyone wish to change their vote based upon the > votes > > > >> of others, that's fine, only your last vote will count. > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to suggest that for this vote to succeed, we'll need full > > > >> consensus of committers/PPMC members. Community votes are also very > much > > > >> welcome, but committer/PPMC votes will be the ones that make up the > > > >> final tally. If this vote does not receive a consensus, then the > status > > > >> quo will continue until another event occurs to change it. > > > >> > > > >> I myself am not going to vote, as I see this as a vote for those who > > > >> feel ownership of the project and its codebase. I couldn't make an > > > >> impartial vote anyway. > > > >> > > > >> So, here's your chance to cast your votes: > > > >> > > > >> [ ] Wave should stay at Apache > > > >> [ ] Wave should leave Apache, and find a home elsewhere > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> Upayavira > > > >> > > > >
