On 10 Dec 2013, at 21:10, Upayavira wrote:
As I'm sure you can imagine, I've been thinking about this quite a bit
recently. If a project still has some life (and Wave does), really the
only other thing it needs to stay in the incubator is engaged mentors.
The mentors are the link between the podling and the ASF.
For me, this vote is to gauge where the community wants to be. The
last
thing I want to do is mentor a group of folks that actually want to be
elsewhere. If the collective decision (principally of the
committers/PPMC members) is to stay, then I'm happy to stay around and
see where we can take this project.
Same for me.
If Wave'rs want to stay, I am happy to help.
There was immense feedback to my initial mail. It seems there is life
here.
Cheers,
Christian
Upayavira
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 08:03 PM, Pratik Paranjape wrote:
How (or for how long) is this a choice? If WAIB does not show
improvement
in the amount of activity, a mentor will be asking same question
again...whether Wave is a suitable project for the incubator. The
discussion started because Christian raised this question in the
first
place. Based on past few months statistics, any significant
improvement
in
activity will be a dramatic outcome and seems unlikely at this point.
On the other hand, I think Wave will survive even through long
periods of
inactivity as long as intellectual property stays openly accessible
under
permissible enough open source license. Moving away from Apache may
actually breath some new direction. Unless we can guarantee
significant
activity improvemnent, we are just postponing the issue until next
month.
Considering the questions of trademarks, I think it's going to be
easy if
whoever wants to implement new ideas makes a fork and takes it
further.
Or
uses the ideas and completely redesign everything like Joseph is
planning
.
In any case I think github can generate more activity, even if not as
WAIB.
What happens to trademarks of abandoned Incubator projects?
On 11 Dec 2013 01:09, "Joseph Gentle" <jose...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm actually going to abstain.
As you know, I want to run a kickstarter to create a new iteration
of
wave. I won't reuse the current codebase, and I won't place the new
project with the ASF. This decision should be made by people who
want
to keep working with the current code.
-J
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Hill <r...@zndx.org> wrote:
I vote stay, for what it's worth.
I would have an easier time funding one or more developers if I
know the
resulting code would eventually reside under the Apache umbrella.
Best of
luck either way though.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Upayavira <u...@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
It seems to me that the time has come to make a decision here, and
for
now, I'm going to ask that we consider just one simple question:
* Should Wave stay within Apache, or leave.
I'm going to ask that we postpone any discussion about either
option
that isn't required to make the decision, until the vote is
complete. If
discussion is to occur, please move it to a separate thread, to
keep the
[VOTE] thread clean.
I'm going to suggest that this vote runs for 72hrs, and that we
aim for
consensus. Should anyone wish to change their vote based upon the
votes
of others, that's fine, only your last vote will count.
I'm going to suggest that for this vote to succeed, we'll need
full
consensus of committers/PPMC members. Community votes are also
very much
welcome, but committer/PPMC votes will be the ones that make up
the
final tally. If this vote does not receive a consensus, then the
status
quo will continue until another event occurs to change it.
I myself am not going to vote, as I see this as a vote for those
who
feel ownership of the project and its codebase. I couldn't make an
impartial vote anyway.
So, here's your chance to cast your votes:
[ ] Wave should stay at Apache
[ ] Wave should leave Apache, and find a home elsewhere
Thanks,
Upayavira
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