I would like to note that the ASF is not only around tools. The ASF is around community. There are certainly benefits you can get from an ASF environment which are not possible when working at googlecode. See: http://www.apache.org/foundation/foundation-projects.html
There are Apache related events and conferences where projects can get great attention and contacts. There is a participation on GSOC and many more things. You can compare hg and svn of course (and for me hg is the winner), but you cannot compare Googlecode and the ASF. As said, at the ASF all is around community while GC is simply a code hosting website. That being said, infrastructure is always there: infrastruct...@apache.org http://apache.org/dev/infrastructure.html http://apache.org/dev/services.html Besides what you have already mentioned, there is support for CI. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> wrote: > I'm certainly biased toward starting a discussion with the people at > apache. We should be looking at more efficient and productive > code/project management and be trying to upgrade their systems to > reflect this. If anyone else thinks this is a good strategy, I'd be > curious to hear your thoughts. > > -Andrew > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Michael MacFadden > <michael.macfad...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yuri basically hi the nail on the head here. The two main thing that we >> would probably want to be working towards is the code migration and the web >> site migration. However we have largely lost steam in both these regards. >> I don't in any way mean to disrespect the had work of the apache folks, but >> it seems to be the impression of a lot of the wave developers that the >> apache infrastructure is inferior in some ways to what the wave developers >> have on google-code. For example: >> >> Mercurial vs SVN >> ----------------------- >> >> Seems like SVN is viewed a legacy and a step back from Hg. >> >> >> Project Wiki / Site >> -------------------------- >> >> Currently using Google Sites which has a much richer CMS interface which >> handles images, html tables, sub pages, attachments. The Apache CMS is >> functional, but is not on par with google sites. It also seems like it is >> not being maintained going forward due to lack of time. >> >> >> Reviewboard vs Reitveld >> ----------------------------------- >> >> Many of the wave developers voiced an opinion that the strongly preferred >> Reitveld over reviewboard. >> >> >> So basically, as Yuri pointed out there have been some technical issues in >> doing the migration, but I think the larger issue is that we are simply not >> that motivated to do the migration because the end state looks less >> desirable than the state we are in now. So it's been hard to get people to >> volunteer their time to move us over. I think some of these issues are >> valid and we should discuss them. If we REALLY feel like these >> infrastructure options are hampering the growth of the project then I think >> we should start a discussion with the Infra group at apache to raise our >> concerns. >> >> If anyone would like to help in any regard, that would be great. >> >> ~Michael >> >> On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:11 AM, Yuri Z wrote: >> >>> Michael should be following this mail list, so I guess he will respond as >>> soon as he can. In any way his email is michael.macfad...@gmail.com. >>> Regarding the migration status: >>> Currently the issues migrated to Apache, however the source code is still at >>> the old wave-protocol google-code based repository. >>> The code migration got a bit delayed for two reasons as I see it: >>> 1. The technical one. The technical aspect of converting Mercurial >>> repository into Subversion is kind of challenging. There are a plenty of >>> tools that allow to do the transition the other way (from SVN to Mercurial). >>> I personally investigated this a bit and seems like it would require first >>> to convert Hg to Git, the Git to SVN. >>> 2. The convenience. Well, converting from mercurial to SVN is kind of >>> downgrade, so there's little emotional motivation to do it. >>> 3. The inertial. Currently we have working process to submit patches with >>> tested tools and code review integration. Migration to SVN and the Review >>> Board will have it's learning curve and honestly, possibly won't be better. >>> >>> Also, we will probably have to move most of the Wiki that currently resides >>> also on google-code, but that's less urgent. >>> >>> 2011/8/19 Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >>> >>>> Ok good to know. Is there a way we can reach out to him? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As far as I recall, I thought Michael MacFadden was taking the lead on >>>>> infra >>>>> related items. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So the important questions are: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Who is the most knowledgeable with the current state of the project. >>>>>> 2. Who are the primary leaders of the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanna get the ball rolling on things again. We shouldn't just sit on >>>>>> the sidelines waiting for google or whoever to finish things. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Andrew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> There was great momentum when Google was actively pushing the >>>>> incubation >>>>>>> status and active on the project as a whole. Now that Google has >>>>> tapered >>>>>> off >>>>>>> (as I assumed they would), I'm not sure what the status of things are >>>>> any >>>>>>> more. Nor who has taken the rains of leading the movement toward >>>> being >>>>>> fully >>>>>>> on Apache's infra. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>>>> <zmy...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 What parts of the project are where right now? And how long >>>> will >>>>> it >>>>>> be >>>>>>>> until Apache has everything? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Zachary “Gamer_Z.” Yaro >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 17:47, Matt Richards <mricha...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been kinda wondering the same thing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Ragone <ajr9...@rit.edu> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It seems there is a huge lag in migration of the Project to the >>>>>>>>> incubator. >>>>>>>>>> What is the status on this (eg. who has ownership of what) and >>>> what >>>>>> can >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> to help migrate?! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Andrew >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> --Matt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> --Matt >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> --Matt >>>>> >>>> >> > -- http://www.grobmeier.de
